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Who TF wants to use Twitter? Its the worst echo chamber out there.

by shikck200 1mo ago

Tepix 1mo ago
Some AI bros refuse to leave
- spiderfarmer 1mo ago
  If someone is still on twitter I'm just going to assume their morals align with those of Musk. And then I avoid them.
  - mieses 1mo ago
    [flagged]
  - strus 1mo ago
    > And then I avoid them. Hacker News and basically everyone from YC have an official profile on Twitter: https://x.com/hackernews https://x.com/hackernews
    - spiderfarmer 1mo ago
      To this day I never met any of them.
      - strus 1mo ago
        You probably also never met Elon. By your logic you shouldn’t use Hacker News just like Twitter.
HarlequinHair 1mo ago
General sentiment might be this, but every social network (even Instagram and Facebook) can be good and productive if you change how you use them. If you follow specific profiles/channels/pages and just read the feeds from them as if they were news, you are removing the toxic part (mostly infinite scrolling) and getting a resourceful feature. If for some reason someone you need to follow is on X (twitter) only, you have to choose between losing a source or compromise with the platform. I personally belong to the former group (and possibly you do, too), leaving behind sources, but not everyone likes it that way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- secretsatan 1mo ago
  But it’s still supporting a man who’s a toxic as they come and working hard to distort reality and undermine democracy, you won’t wash that toxic off.
  - philipallstar 1mo ago
    Allowing more voices on the platform might've made it more toxic (who knows - you're not the judge of toxic) but at least we have left- and right-wing toxicity, instead of only left-wing. And we get a lot of additional non-toxic voices, which was the actual point.
    - angoragoats 1mo ago
      [dead]
    - secretsatan 1mo ago
      You think there wasn’t right wing toxicity before?
      - philipallstar 1mo ago
        Again, there's no point using a word like "toxicity".
    - ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
      > Allowing more voices on the platform might've made it more toxic (who knows - you're not the judge of toxic) Allowing the nazi voices definitely did. And while that dude isn't the judge of what is toxic, a majority of people are. I don't know what you personally want to call it when someone posts condolences about a tragedy or massacre killing many people in their home country, and the nazis pop up to reply "you're next, [racial slur omitted]". Pretty sure most people would call that toxic, so it's toxic, even if a small minority of people disagree.
      - 1mo ago
alexnewman 1mo ago
And hacker news is a diverse pluralistic utopia
- spiderfarmer 1mo ago
  Whataboutisms do nothing to refute genuine criticisms.
  - mieses 1mo ago
    what about throwing stones in glass houses now?
  - phoghed 1mo ago
    If someone thinks Twitter is an echo chamber to the extent they can’t fathom how people tolerate it (and it isn’t just an appeal for easy upvotes), but they happily post on HN, they’ll be able to clear up their initial confusion with a bit of self reflection.
    - deleted 1mo ago
      [deleted]
    - spiderfarmer 1mo ago
      And how do you reflect on yourself?
      - phoghed 1mo ago
        Quiet contemplation typically, sometimes mushroom enhanced
- VCFundedGenYer 1mo ago
  I thought "reddit moments" were bad, I never thought there'd be something worse.
docdeek 1mo ago
There’s likely some information on there that some people must want to share if services like Xcancel and Nitter exist and allow you to share it without being on X itself.
- expedition32 1mo ago
  There are unfortunately a few times a year that I need to read something posted on Instagram, Facebook or X. And they all require accounts that I don't want to have.
strus 1mo ago
Sir, you are controlling the buttons you push. I.e. it's up to you who you follow and what exactly you read on Twitter - just like any other social network. There are news that are circulating much faster on Twitter than anywhere else (for example about war in Ukraine). There are people and companies that post only on Twitter and nowhere else (especially in tech).
- vvillena 1mo ago
  > it's up to you who you follow and what exactly you read on Twitter The Twitter experience is a highly algorithmic feed where tweets from the people you follow are not guaranteed to be in chronological order, or even shown to you at all. The default experience also mixes it other tweets "you might be interested in", that is, things they want you to see. There's also the fact people could freely see tweets and follow discussion threads, that's now locked behind an account requirement.
  - tome 1mo ago
    > The Twitter experience is a highly algorithmic feed ... that is, things they want you to see. Not on Nitter! Which is the point, for me at least.
- angoragoats 1mo ago
  Sir, you are voluntarily using a website owned by an unstable Nazi, who purchased it because his feelings were hurt and people were making fun of him there. Now his brain droppings make it into everyone’s feed by default, from what I understand. > There are news that are circulating much faster on Twitter than anywhere else (for example about war in Ukraine). I am certain that Twitter is not the only place where you can find these updates, if you really care for up-to-the-minute news. But I don’t. > There are people and companies that post only on Twitter and nowhere else (especially in tech). These people and companies are (knowingly or unknowingly) supporting a Nazi billionaire and they are not worth paying any attention to until they change their behavior.
  - baxuz 1mo ago
phoghed 1mo ago
Reddit is worse imo just because of how the site is structured and the power of mods.
- philipallstar 1mo ago
  Yes - community notes were a surprisingly decent alternative to more gameable authority structures.
  - jandrese 1mo ago
    Community notes tend to be a day late and a dollar short though.
    - philipallstar 1mo ago
      But still the best solution so far.
- angoragoats 1mo ago
  Option A: You occasionally encounter power tripping mods on a site where you are free to create your own community and become the mod yourself. Option B: a power tripping drug-addled Nazi billionaire owns the entire site and can change the site behavior for every user on a whim, with no recourse. This doesn’t seem like a hard choice to make.
  - phoghed 1mo ago
    An echo chamber isn’t inherently bad, and moderation is required to maintain any semblance of a well functioning online community. Reddit can be good if you stay in your niche and off the default subs. Twitter is good if you similarly curate your experience and don’t let it push you into garbage. I don’t use either much anymore.
    - angoragoats 1mo ago
      > Twitter is good if you similarly curate your experience and don’t let it push you into garbage. I want to follow the guy who tracked Elon's jet and documented its fuel usage and CO2 emissions. Oops, can't make that part of my "curated experience" on Twitter. So much for free speech absolutism. The point is that when you're subject to the whims of an irrational asshole, you can't have any assurance that your curated experience will stay consistent. For this reason alone, Twitter is worse than Reddit. But I don't use either site anymore at all.
philipallstar 1mo ago
> Who TF wants to use Twitter? Its the worst echo chamber out there. It's certainly more diverse than Bluesky, if this is an echo chamber-measuring contest.
- tonyhart7 1mo ago
  [flagged]
- Gareth321 1mo ago
  It's crazy to see the same people accusing X of being an echo-chamber suggesting Bluesky without a hint of irony or interospection.
haunter 1mo ago
Unbeatable (just like reddit) if you want live sport replays. /r/soccer uploads goals before it happens on the broadcast I watch on my TV Also the Asian community (Korea, Japan etc) is incredibly strong on Twitter. They don't really care about the whole politics around the platform.
majorchord 1mo ago
Hundreds of millions of active daily users. Snobby tech nerds who care about privacy and morals are a niche of a niche, relatively speaking.
sliqqq 1mo ago
Everybody who's not totally limited in their mindsets. Twitter/X is uncensored. I think open minds who are hungry for the raw, real truth prefer such platform, rather than one that's regulated by one political party of one particular country.
- kova12 1mo ago
  It is censored
- teiferer 1mo ago
  It doesn't become more true if you claim that multiple times around here. X under Musk is well documented to censor widely. It's just that the direction of censorship has shifted under him, so your particular bubble might get more left alone now. > hungry for the raw, real truth Haha sure. Why not go to the original where Tweets are actually literally called Truths?
- jubilanti 1mo ago
  If X is so open, why do I have to register an account to see practically anything? Why are they banning mirrors? If an open source project banned mirroring, there'd be an outrage. Why did Elon ban PaulG and many for posting a link to Mastodon? Why did so many get suspended for sharing the location of Elon's private jet? Why did Elon ban a journalist after reporting a dossier on JD Vance? https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-dossier-leak-hack-iran-ken-klippenstein-1960044 https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-dossier-leak-hack-iran-ken... Why did Elon ban a journalist who interviewed the guy who hacked a conservative activist? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/twitter-suspended-journalist-for-reporting-on-matt-walshs-hacked-materials/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/twitter-suspende... Why did Elon ban a journalist for reporting on Tesla? https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/15/23512158/elon-musk-twitter-journalist-purge-has-begun https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/15/23512158/elon-musk-twi...
  - sliqqq 1mo ago
    damn, i didnt know that! that's crazy
- 1mo ago
iamnothere 1mo ago
The point of services like this are to access the content without actually using the service and feeding them data for ads. If you aren’t a polyglot, the only ways to follow news about global conflicts and non-Western politics are Twitter or Telegram. Pick your poison.

Who TF wants to use Twitter? Its the worst echo chamber out there.

Tepix 1mo ago

Some AI bros refuse to leave

spiderfarmer 1mo ago
If someone is still on twitter I'm just going to assume their morals align with those of Musk. And then I avoid them.
- mieses 1mo ago
  [flagged]
- strus 1mo ago
  > And then I avoid them. Hacker News and basically everyone from YC have an official profile on Twitter: https://x.com/hackernews https://x.com/hackernews
  - spiderfarmer 1mo ago
    To this day I never met any of them.
    - strus 1mo ago
      You probably also never met Elon. By your logic you shouldn’t use Hacker News just like Twitter.

HarlequinHair 1mo ago

General sentiment might be this, but every social network (even Instagram and Facebook) can be good and productive if you change how you use them. If you follow specific profiles/channels/pages and just read the feeds from them as if they were news, you are removing the toxic part (mostly infinite scrolling) and getting a resourceful feature. If for some reason someone you need to follow is on X (twitter) only, you have to choose between losing a source or compromise with the platform. I personally belong to the former group (and possibly you do, too), leaving behind sources, but not everyone likes it that way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

secretsatan 1mo ago
But it’s still supporting a man who’s a toxic as they come and working hard to distort reality and undermine democracy, you won’t wash that toxic off.
- philipallstar 1mo ago
  Allowing more voices on the platform might've made it more toxic (who knows - you're not the judge of toxic) but at least we have left- and right-wing toxicity, instead of only left-wing. And we get a lot of additional non-toxic voices, which was the actual point.
  - angoragoats 1mo ago
    [dead]
  - secretsatan 1mo ago
    You think there wasn’t right wing toxicity before?
    - philipallstar 1mo ago
      Again, there's no point using a word like "toxicity".
  - ImPostingOnHN 1mo ago
    > Allowing more voices on the platform might've made it more toxic (who knows - you're not the judge of toxic) Allowing the nazi voices definitely did. And while that dude isn't the judge of what is toxic, a majority of people are. I don't know what you personally want to call it when someone posts condolences about a tragedy or massacre killing many people in their home country, and the nazis pop up to reply "you're next, [racial slur omitted]". Pretty sure most people would call that toxic, so it's toxic, even if a small minority of people disagree.
    - 1mo ago

alexnewman 1mo ago

And hacker news is a diverse pluralistic utopia

spiderfarmer 1mo ago
Whataboutisms do nothing to refute genuine criticisms.
- mieses 1mo ago
  what about throwing stones in glass houses now?
- phoghed 1mo ago
  If someone thinks Twitter is an echo chamber to the extent they can’t fathom how people tolerate it (and it isn’t just an appeal for easy upvotes), but they happily post on HN, they’ll be able to clear up their initial confusion with a bit of self reflection.
  - deleted 1mo ago
    [deleted]
  - spiderfarmer 1mo ago
    And how do you reflect on yourself?
    - phoghed 1mo ago
      Quiet contemplation typically, sometimes mushroom enhanced
VCFundedGenYer 1mo ago
I thought "reddit moments" were bad, I never thought there'd be something worse.

docdeek 1mo ago

There’s likely some information on there that some people must want to share if services like Xcancel and Nitter exist and allow you to share it without being on X itself.

expedition32 1mo ago
There are unfortunately a few times a year that I need to read something posted on Instagram, Facebook or X. And they all require accounts that I don't want to have.

strus 1mo ago

Sir, you are controlling the buttons you push. I.e. it's up to you who you follow and what exactly you read on Twitter - just like any other social network. There are news that are circulating much faster on Twitter than anywhere else (for example about war in Ukraine). There are people and companies that post only on Twitter and nowhere else (especially in tech).

vvillena 1mo ago
> it's up to you who you follow and what exactly you read on Twitter The Twitter experience is a highly algorithmic feed where tweets from the people you follow are not guaranteed to be in chronological order, or even shown to you at all. The default experience also mixes it other tweets "you might be interested in", that is, things they want you to see. There's also the fact people could freely see tweets and follow discussion threads, that's now locked behind an account requirement.
- tome 1mo ago
  > The Twitter experience is a highly algorithmic feed ... that is, things they want you to see. Not on Nitter! Which is the point, for me at least.
angoragoats 1mo ago
Sir, you are voluntarily using a website owned by an unstable Nazi, who purchased it because his feelings were hurt and people were making fun of him there. Now his brain droppings make it into everyone’s feed by default, from what I understand. > There are news that are circulating much faster on Twitter than anywhere else (for example about war in Ukraine). I am certain that Twitter is not the only place where you can find these updates, if you really care for up-to-the-minute news. But I don’t. > There are people and companies that post only on Twitter and nowhere else (especially in tech). These people and companies are (knowingly or unknowingly) supporting a Nazi billionaire and they are not worth paying any attention to until they change their behavior.
- baxuz 1mo ago

phoghed 1mo ago

Reddit is worse imo just because of how the site is structured and the power of mods.

philipallstar 1mo ago
Yes - community notes were a surprisingly decent alternative to more gameable authority structures.
- jandrese 1mo ago
  Community notes tend to be a day late and a dollar short though.
  - philipallstar 1mo ago
    But still the best solution so far.
angoragoats 1mo ago
Option A: You occasionally encounter power tripping mods on a site where you are free to create your own community and become the mod yourself. Option B: a power tripping drug-addled Nazi billionaire owns the entire site and can change the site behavior for every user on a whim, with no recourse. This doesn’t seem like a hard choice to make.
- phoghed 1mo ago
  An echo chamber isn’t inherently bad, and moderation is required to maintain any semblance of a well functioning online community. Reddit can be good if you stay in your niche and off the default subs. Twitter is good if you similarly curate your experience and don’t let it push you into garbage. I don’t use either much anymore.
  - angoragoats 1mo ago
    > Twitter is good if you similarly curate your experience and don’t let it push you into garbage. I want to follow the guy who tracked Elon's jet and documented its fuel usage and CO2 emissions. Oops, can't make that part of my "curated experience" on Twitter. So much for free speech absolutism. The point is that when you're subject to the whims of an irrational asshole, you can't have any assurance that your curated experience will stay consistent. For this reason alone, Twitter is worse than Reddit. But I don't use either site anymore at all.

philipallstar 1mo ago

> Who TF wants to use Twitter? Its the worst echo chamber out there. It's certainly more diverse than Bluesky, if this is an echo chamber-measuring contest.

tonyhart7 1mo ago
[flagged]
Gareth321 1mo ago
It's crazy to see the same people accusing X of being an echo-chamber suggesting Bluesky without a hint of irony or interospection.

haunter 1mo ago

Unbeatable (just like reddit) if you want live sport replays. /r/soccer uploads goals before it happens on the broadcast I watch on my TV Also the Asian community (Korea, Japan etc) is incredibly strong on Twitter. They don't really care about the whole politics around the platform.

majorchord 1mo ago

Hundreds of millions of active daily users. Snobby tech nerds who care about privacy and morals are a niche of a niche, relatively speaking.

sliqqq 1mo ago

Everybody who's not totally limited in their mindsets. Twitter/X is uncensored. I think open minds who are hungry for the raw, real truth prefer such platform, rather than one that's regulated by one political party of one particular country.

kova12 1mo ago
It is censored
teiferer 1mo ago
It doesn't become more true if you claim that multiple times around here. X under Musk is well documented to censor widely. It's just that the direction of censorship has shifted under him, so your particular bubble might get more left alone now. > hungry for the raw, real truth Haha sure. Why not go to the original where Tweets are actually literally called Truths?
jubilanti 1mo ago
If X is so open, why do I have to register an account to see practically anything? Why are they banning mirrors? If an open source project banned mirroring, there'd be an outrage. Why did Elon ban PaulG and many for posting a link to Mastodon? Why did so many get suspended for sharing the location of Elon's private jet? Why did Elon ban a journalist after reporting a dossier on JD Vance? https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-dossier-leak-hack-iran-ken-klippenstein-1960044 https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-dossier-leak-hack-iran-ken... Why did Elon ban a journalist who interviewed the guy who hacked a conservative activist? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/twitter-suspended-journalist-for-reporting-on-matt-walshs-hacked-materials/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/twitter-suspende... Why did Elon ban a journalist for reporting on Tesla? https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/15/23512158/elon-musk-twitter-journalist-purge-has-begun https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/15/23512158/elon-musk-twi...
- sliqqq 1mo ago
  damn, i didnt know that! that's crazy
1mo ago

iamnothere 1mo ago

The point of services like this are to access the content without actually using the service and feeding them data for ads. If you aren’t a polyglot, the only ways to follow news about global conflicts and non-Western politics are Twitter or Telegram. Pick your poison.