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Technically you should be taking your stuff with you when you leave the country, and not assume you will just be allowed back in. If anything, there are servic

Technically you should be taking your stuff with you when you leave the country, and not assume you will just be allowed back in. If anything, there are services that can deliver your stuff back to you, so this is not the big deal it seems to be.

mobelkh 1mo ago
oh yea, let me just uproot myself because immigration took too long and my company didn't want to wait. I'll just cancel my rental agreement, move my furniture across continents, cancel my other subscriptions, oh wait that's got a few month notice period so I'll have to pay up for months I don't need anymore, let alone all the friendships and social connections I made that I never got to say a proper goodbye to. This is extremely unappealing to skilled workers, and the loss of trust will extend past this current administration, if all it takes is one idiot in office to upend your life, you can't trust that country and its people anymore.
- 999900000999 1mo ago
  That’s the point. The current people in power don’t want immigrants because the vast majority of immigrants are non white. The tall blond nordics they really want have no real motivation to deal with this bizarre BS as they usually already have a great standard of living in say Norway. So you end up with a ton of folks from places where running water is still a luxury. A lot of these people are even excellent church attending Christians. Not white though. I really do think this country is ran by idiots. No one will be there to pick the crops, prisoners make poor farm hands. The price of food will skyrocket, and if the rest of the world wants to punish us they could just suspend food imports to the US. This was all predictable, and while the Democrats are far from perfect, at least you don’t have chaos. Every country has the government it deserves.
  - dcow 1mo ago
    I find the idea the only immigrants can do low skill labor kinda… obtuse. Maybe Americans should pick their own crops instead of living in a delusion that certain labor is beneath them. Boomer era “all my kids are going to get white collar jobs” type thinking isn’t sustainable.
    - soco 1mo ago
      Yet here we are. They even recognized officially (Labor Department, October '25) that Americans are not willing to pick up these jobs.
      - CTDOCodebases 1mo ago
        The laws of supply and demand apply to labour as well.
        hvb2 1mo ago
        Don't worry, supply is there. Because the US is actually increasing visa caps for some of these workers. Might also be because they work at the properties of a certain person. Need to keep those wages down, it would be terrible for profitability if he had to hire Americans you know! https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/06/12/trump-organization-foreign-workers-visa-hiring-mar-a-lago-golf-clubs-winery/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/06/12/trump-or... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/us/politics/h2b-visas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/us/politics/h2b-visas.htm...
    - bubblethink 1mo ago
      It's not beneath them per se. It's just that this trade only makes sense for a certain slice of the population at a certain time in their life. The immigrant is willing to work in that job because what is offered is not just the salary but something more (chance to immigrate, stability, arbitrage, etc.). It's similar to research assistants or grad students in universities. They are doing cutting edge research for peanuts because what they are getting is something more (degree, skills, future earning potential). It's hard to replace this dynamic. Or in other words, the dollar value of the intangibles is so high that if you were to put a price on it, it would make your business unviable.
      - trelane 1mo ago
        > research assistants or grad students in universities These are not fully trained scientists, but rather trainees. As such, they don't get paid the same as a fully trained scientist. Like how a journeyman is paid more than an apprentice electrician. Of course, they are also underpaid, too. Ask any grad student union. > It's hard to replace this dynamic. Or in other words, the dollar value of the intangibles is so high that if you were to put a price on it, it would make your business unviable. Yes, it's very hard to pay your workers a liveable wage if everyone else is exploiting their workers by underpaying them. All you're saying is that we've built exploiting labor (foreigners, interns, trainees) into our economy.

mobelkh 1mo ago

oh yea, let me just uproot myself because immigration took too long and my company didn't want to wait. I'll just cancel my rental agreement, move my furniture across continents, cancel my other subscriptions, oh wait that's got a few month notice period so I'll have to pay up for months I don't need anymore, let alone all the friendships and social connections I made that I never got to say a proper goodbye to. This is extremely unappealing to skilled workers, and the loss of trust will extend past this current administration, if all it takes is one idiot in office to upend your life, you can't trust that country and its people anymore.

999900000999 1mo ago
That’s the point. The current people in power don’t want immigrants because the vast majority of immigrants are non white. The tall blond nordics they really want have no real motivation to deal with this bizarre BS as they usually already have a great standard of living in say Norway. So you end up with a ton of folks from places where running water is still a luxury. A lot of these people are even excellent church attending Christians. Not white though. I really do think this country is ran by idiots. No one will be there to pick the crops, prisoners make poor farm hands. The price of food will skyrocket, and if the rest of the world wants to punish us they could just suspend food imports to the US. This was all predictable, and while the Democrats are far from perfect, at least you don’t have chaos. Every country has the government it deserves.
- dcow 1mo ago
  I find the idea the only immigrants can do low skill labor kinda… obtuse. Maybe Americans should pick their own crops instead of living in a delusion that certain labor is beneath them. Boomer era “all my kids are going to get white collar jobs” type thinking isn’t sustainable.
  - soco 1mo ago
    Yet here we are. They even recognized officially (Labor Department, October '25) that Americans are not willing to pick up these jobs.
    - CTDOCodebases 1mo ago
      The laws of supply and demand apply to labour as well.
      - hvb2 1mo ago
        Don't worry, supply is there. Because the US is actually increasing visa caps for some of these workers. Might also be because they work at the properties of a certain person. Need to keep those wages down, it would be terrible for profitability if he had to hire Americans you know! https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/06/12/trump-organization-foreign-workers-visa-hiring-mar-a-lago-golf-clubs-winery/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacheverson/2025/06/12/trump-or... https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/us/politics/h2b-visas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/30/us/politics/h2b-visas.htm...
  - bubblethink 1mo ago
    It's not beneath them per se. It's just that this trade only makes sense for a certain slice of the population at a certain time in their life. The immigrant is willing to work in that job because what is offered is not just the salary but something more (chance to immigrate, stability, arbitrage, etc.). It's similar to research assistants or grad students in universities. They are doing cutting edge research for peanuts because what they are getting is something more (degree, skills, future earning potential). It's hard to replace this dynamic. Or in other words, the dollar value of the intangibles is so high that if you were to put a price on it, it would make your business unviable.
    - trelane 1mo ago
      > research assistants or grad students in universities These are not fully trained scientists, but rather trainees. As such, they don't get paid the same as a fully trained scientist. Like how a journeyman is paid more than an apprentice electrician. Of course, they are also underpaid, too. Ask any grad student union. > It's hard to replace this dynamic. Or in other words, the dollar value of the intangibles is so high that if you were to put a price on it, it would make your business unviable. Yes, it's very hard to pay your workers a liveable wage if everyone else is exploiting their workers by underpaying them. All you're saying is that we've built exploiting labor (foreigners, interns, trainees) into our economy.