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> no-one cares anymore. possibly because it took qualcomm buying them to make that happen.

rvz 1mo ago
Just say you don't know. Mojo was partially open source before Qualcomm bought them, and they were going to do open source it anyway. Was NVCC or CUDA ever open source since the lifetime of its development?
- latchkey 1mo ago
  > they were going to do open source it anyway. uh huh. > Was NVCC or CUDA ever open source since the lifetime of its development? you ever ask Nvidia why? i did.
  - rvz 1mo ago
    > uh huh. Exactly. You're one of those that don't care. Mojo's standard library was open sourced a year before the acquisition. > you ever ask Nvidia why? i did. The correct answer to my question is "No". CUDA or NVCC was never open sourced during its lifetime. Since you "claim" to have asked them and know the true reason why is not open source, just say what Nvidia told you verbatim right here. Intel and AMD have no problem open sourcing their GPU drivers for Linux, but Nvidia has a problem with that. We can only speculate that "open sourcing" it reveals their GPU trade secrets and their intellectual property for others to copy.
    - latchkey 1mo ago
      I care, I just don't believe you in that statement. There were "confidential nda" notes embedded in the release that Chris didn't remove until afterwards. That doesn't scream: "we're going to open source this some day!" If it was going to "eventually" be made open source, why not do it from the start? Why not do it a year in? From what I was told, your speculation is incorrect. I can't say anything more than that, sorry. I don't know why you're so aggressive in tone towards me, chill out.
      - rvz 1mo ago
        I don't believe that you even know yourself. > If it was going to "eventually" be made open source, why not do it from the start? Why not do it a year in? That isn't how open sourcing software works. It gets released when it is ready or gradually. But of course as I predicted that you would ask that question. Why didn't Linus release Linux immediately? Why did he wait 29 days to do it instead of the day when he announced it? Why didn't Rust release 4 years early as soon as is was eventually open sourced? > From what I was told, your speculation is incorrect. I can't say anything more than that, sorry. Who told you? Nvidia directly? The correct answer is that you do NOT know the reason yourself because there was NO discussion at all. Just say you don't know.
        latchkey 1mo ago
        It took about a week to get Sun Microsystems to open source Tomcat and Ant, which became massively distributed and used software. So yea... it happens quickly. I'm going to skip past all of your asinine aggressive response and just answer one thing again since you missed it the first time... > you ever ask Nvidia why? i did.
        rvz 1mo ago
        > It took about a week to get Sun Microsystems to open source Tomcat and Ant, which became massively distributed and used software. So that was not even open sourced “from the start” either. You understand that you just undermined your own point? It was released when it was ready, rather than from the start. The entire point is one company gave a gradual open source release over several months to a year, verses another company that has open sourced close to nothing related around CUDA or nvcc for decades. nvcc remains completely closed source despite it even using Lattner’s LLVM (which he open sourced) as a dependency! (shocker) > I'm going to skip past… Exactly. Skip it because you seem to be struggling to answer those basic questions. Nothing was missed as I already responded to your last sentence by asking you to post exactly what Nvidia just told you verbatim since you claimed to know the true reason. You failed to answer. If that is too difficult then a paraphrasing is far better than: “I can’t for just reasons.” Or just be honest and say: “I do not know the reason”.

rvz 1mo ago

Just say you don't know. Mojo was partially open source before Qualcomm bought them, and they were going to do open source it anyway. Was NVCC or CUDA ever open source since the lifetime of its development?

latchkey 1mo ago
> they were going to do open source it anyway. uh huh. > Was NVCC or CUDA ever open source since the lifetime of its development? you ever ask Nvidia why? i did.
- rvz 1mo ago
  > uh huh. Exactly. You're one of those that don't care. Mojo's standard library was open sourced a year before the acquisition. > you ever ask Nvidia why? i did. The correct answer to my question is "No". CUDA or NVCC was never open sourced during its lifetime. Since you "claim" to have asked them and know the true reason why is not open source, just say what Nvidia told you verbatim right here. Intel and AMD have no problem open sourcing their GPU drivers for Linux, but Nvidia has a problem with that. We can only speculate that "open sourcing" it reveals their GPU trade secrets and their intellectual property for others to copy.
  - latchkey 1mo ago
    I care, I just don't believe you in that statement. There were "confidential nda" notes embedded in the release that Chris didn't remove until afterwards. That doesn't scream: "we're going to open source this some day!" If it was going to "eventually" be made open source, why not do it from the start? Why not do it a year in? From what I was told, your speculation is incorrect. I can't say anything more than that, sorry. I don't know why you're so aggressive in tone towards me, chill out.
    - rvz 1mo ago
      I don't believe that you even know yourself. > If it was going to "eventually" be made open source, why not do it from the start? Why not do it a year in? That isn't how open sourcing software works. It gets released when it is ready or gradually. But of course as I predicted that you would ask that question. Why didn't Linus release Linux immediately? Why did he wait 29 days to do it instead of the day when he announced it? Why didn't Rust release 4 years early as soon as is was eventually open sourced? > From what I was told, your speculation is incorrect. I can't say anything more than that, sorry. Who told you? Nvidia directly? The correct answer is that you do NOT know the reason yourself because there was NO discussion at all. Just say you don't know.
      - latchkey 1mo ago
        It took about a week to get Sun Microsystems to open source Tomcat and Ant, which became massively distributed and used software. So yea... it happens quickly. I'm going to skip past all of your asinine aggressive response and just answer one thing again since you missed it the first time... > you ever ask Nvidia why? i did.
        rvz 1mo ago
        > It took about a week to get Sun Microsystems to open source Tomcat and Ant, which became massively distributed and used software. So that was not even open sourced “from the start” either. You understand that you just undermined your own point? It was released when it was ready, rather than from the start. The entire point is one company gave a gradual open source release over several months to a year, verses another company that has open sourced close to nothing related around CUDA or nvcc for decades. nvcc remains completely closed source despite it even using Lattner’s LLVM (which he open sourced) as a dependency! (shocker) > I'm going to skip past… Exactly. Skip it because you seem to be struggling to answer those basic questions. Nothing was missed as I already responded to your last sentence by asking you to post exactly what Nvidia just told you verbatim since you claimed to know the true reason. You failed to answer. If that is too difficult then a paraphrasing is far better than: “I can’t for just reasons.” Or just be honest and say: “I do not know the reason”.