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I've been a digital marketer for 10+ years. What this article is trying to say is selling benefits vs features Which description below interests you more? A:

I've been a digital marketer for 10+ years. What this article is trying to say is selling benefits vs features Which description below interests you more? A: "The GeeWhiz personal helicopter: the most efficient, best helicopter ever. Its dual cast aluminum blades spin at an incredible 600 revolutions per minute. It's as silent as a mouse's fart. It weighs only 750 pounds thanks to its innovative carbon alloy frame." B: "Cut your commute time in half with the GeeWhiz personal helicopter" B probably got your attention more, unless you have a personal interest in helicopters. Most people don't, they just want to know what it can do for them. Your eyes may have glazed over A because it was a bunch of words you don't care about. A lot of people lean into feature marketing because either THEY are excited about it or they want to dazzle you - feature bombing is a real thing. For example you are NOT going to go drive up some huge rocks like the trucks in the commercials do - it just gives you a warm fuzzy. But it belongs AFTER you convince the person of the why it matters. In this case, they're reaching people who want a truck, they're deciding which truck.

jongjong 1mo ago
I tried to do this with my vibe coding platform "Reduce your token costs by x%" and "Lets you easily control exactly who can access what data", "Full detailed usage analytics so you can see how users are accessing data" and "Apps are easier to maintain" but the problem is that EVERY SINGLE vibe coding platform makes similar claims. None actually deliver. So the consumer has been immunized against 'benefits' and especially if they don't recognize the company brand. So I have to list out technical features as a way to create trust that there are technically capable people behind the product. But TBH it probably doesn't really work either. Now it's all about social connections as implied in the article. It was already like that before, now it's a different level. Now the importance of nepotism has reached full-blown communism level.
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  Marketing to engineers/developers has always been different, parent is talking about marketing towards the average person, not a developer or the new breed of faux-developers.
  - pcthrowaway 1mo ago
    Maybe the top-level commenter was, but the article seems to be about products which are used by developers (even if the deals are brokered with managers or C-levels)
  - jongjong 1mo ago
    But that's the thing; vibe coders are not developers now. I don't see why the marketing equation suddenly changes whenever a human being is confronted with software tooling. My platform is targeted at non-technical builders. For years, I'd been trying to market to developers and I was repeatedly told that developers are different. But now, I'm targeting regular people but it's the same thing. So it seems maybe the marketing difference is not about developers after all.
pydry 1mo ago
A. B marketing actually annoys the shit out of me if I'm in the market for a product and all of the competitors act like Im not trying to choose between them. Seriously, who researches buying a dishwasher and wants to hear about all of the time you'd save not washing your plates by hand?
- satvikpendem 1mo ago
  You being on HN itself makes you a minority in opinion. People absolutely want to hear about the time it saves, especially if they never had a dishwasher, and only then when they know of the benefits will they want to discriminate by feature set to decide which one to buy, exactly as the parent comment said with regards to the truck example.
  - skew-aberration 1mo ago
    Yet people vote time and again for regulation which makes the performance numbers more objective and transparent for cars, white goods, electronics, etc. They pay for reviewers who give them the information and comparisons the marketers won't. This is like saying that employees don't care about salaries because job listings rarely include them, yet they still get applicants. Employers are advertising the subset of the information they know which is beneficial to their interest, not the subset that is objectively most relevant. The article is just an elaborate post-hoc justification. Meanwhile in reality, Wiz succeed by (allegedly) bribing CTOs to install their software, and (allegedly) bribing competitor's engineers to divulge their IP. Much more effective than marketing.
    - satvikpendem 1mo ago
      Nothing you said contradicts my point. Numbers are useful only after you know what the thing actually does for you.
      - pydry 1mo ago
        yet the numbers/features to compare is the bit that is always the most neglected. time and time again I search for products on Amazon that do X and they all argue that X is great for all sorts of reasons and "here's stock photo imagery of a pretty woman using X" and then they miss out critical details like the range of X or how long X will last which allows me to compare it to Y.
raincole 1mo ago
I mean, B is fine as it at least tells me that's about a personal helicopter. The examples in this article are so appalling to me because they don't tell me what the products are. > Perfect customer experiences made possible with Fin Seriously? It can be anything: a call center, a CRM system, a self-service portal, an AI chatbot...

jongjong 1mo ago

I tried to do this with my vibe coding platform "Reduce your token costs by x%" and "Lets you easily control exactly who can access what data", "Full detailed usage analytics so you can see how users are accessing data" and "Apps are easier to maintain" but the problem is that EVERY SINGLE vibe coding platform makes similar claims. None actually deliver. So the consumer has been immunized against 'benefits' and especially if they don't recognize the company brand. So I have to list out technical features as a way to create trust that there are technically capable people behind the product. But TBH it probably doesn't really work either. Now it's all about social connections as implied in the article. It was already like that before, now it's a different level. Now the importance of nepotism has reached full-blown communism level.

embedding-shape 1mo ago
Marketing to engineers/developers has always been different, parent is talking about marketing towards the average person, not a developer or the new breed of faux-developers.
- pcthrowaway 1mo ago
  Maybe the top-level commenter was, but the article seems to be about products which are used by developers (even if the deals are brokered with managers or C-levels)
- jongjong 1mo ago
  But that's the thing; vibe coders are not developers now. I don't see why the marketing equation suddenly changes whenever a human being is confronted with software tooling. My platform is targeted at non-technical builders. For years, I'd been trying to market to developers and I was repeatedly told that developers are different. But now, I'm targeting regular people but it's the same thing. So it seems maybe the marketing difference is not about developers after all.

pydry 1mo ago

A. B marketing actually annoys the shit out of me if I'm in the market for a product and all of the competitors act like Im not trying to choose between them. Seriously, who researches buying a dishwasher and wants to hear about all of the time you'd save not washing your plates by hand?

satvikpendem 1mo ago
You being on HN itself makes you a minority in opinion. People absolutely want to hear about the time it saves, especially if they never had a dishwasher, and only then when they know of the benefits will they want to discriminate by feature set to decide which one to buy, exactly as the parent comment said with regards to the truck example.
- skew-aberration 1mo ago
  Yet people vote time and again for regulation which makes the performance numbers more objective and transparent for cars, white goods, electronics, etc. They pay for reviewers who give them the information and comparisons the marketers won't. This is like saying that employees don't care about salaries because job listings rarely include them, yet they still get applicants. Employers are advertising the subset of the information they know which is beneficial to their interest, not the subset that is objectively most relevant. The article is just an elaborate post-hoc justification. Meanwhile in reality, Wiz succeed by (allegedly) bribing CTOs to install their software, and (allegedly) bribing competitor's engineers to divulge their IP. Much more effective than marketing.
  - satvikpendem 1mo ago
    Nothing you said contradicts my point. Numbers are useful only after you know what the thing actually does for you.
    - pydry 1mo ago
      yet the numbers/features to compare is the bit that is always the most neglected. time and time again I search for products on Amazon that do X and they all argue that X is great for all sorts of reasons and "here's stock photo imagery of a pretty woman using X" and then they miss out critical details like the range of X or how long X will last which allows me to compare it to Y.

raincole 1mo ago

I mean, B is fine as it at least tells me that's about a personal helicopter. The examples in this article are so appalling to me because they don't tell me what the products are. > Perfect customer experiences made possible with Fin Seriously? It can be anything: a call center, a CRM system, a self-service portal, an AI chatbot...