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R&D costs money, and lots of it. So in the end, patents provided the incentive to innovate and $spend on R&D in America, and now free for all to copy. Without

R&D costs money, and lots of it. So in the end, patents provided the incentive to innovate and $spend on R&D in America, and now free for all to copy. Without patents, smart investors will start to look at where they can most cheaply copy American innovations.

marshray 14y ago
Since your account is new, looks like banging on a keyboard, you provide nothing to support your arguments, and this has been debunked (specifically in the fields of interest here at HN) so many times now, I assume this is just a lame troll.
- M8R-fhlcjm 14y ago
  which element do you want me to support?: 1) R&D costs money 2) investors look for return on their investment 3) corporations continuously look to reduce costs Perhaps it is you who is continuing the echo chamber.
  - marshray 14y ago
    You could start by backing up the statements patents provided the incentive to innovate and $spend on R&D in America, and and now free for all to copy and especially Without patents, smart investors will start to look at where they can most cheaply copy American innovations. It would be especally impressive if you could show that all these putative benefits were, in fact, a net gain over all the very tangible downsides of this idea monopoly casino that is our patent system.
    - M8R-fhlcjm 14y ago
      economies of countries with patent rights exceed economies without patents. And at the top is the U.S.A. with strongest patent rights.
      - marshray 14y ago
        Well if you look at regular GDP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nom... , China is right there at #2. They are hardly known for their strong patent enforcement. To the contrary, they're known for "lax IP" and as a place where anyone can start a factory and start making almost anything for export. They're said to be growing faster than the US too, probably in no small part because it's easier to make things there. If you look at per-captia GDP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP... instead, the US is way down at #8, behind Luxembourg, Qatar, Macau, Norway, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, Hong Kong, and Switzerland. How many of those countries are known for having "strong patent rights" and $B lawsuits and sales injuctions by patent holders against vendors? Hmm, looks instead like most of those are countries known for their ability to produce things of value and export them to other countries such as the US.
        AnthonyMouse 14y ago
        Forget about all of that, you're just feeding the troll. The troll's premise is that correlation is causation, i.e. that large economies generally have patent systems and therefore that patent systems cause or are necessary to maintain large economies. This logic leads to the conclusion that an ostentatious capitol building is necessary for economic prosperity, because most major economies have an ostentatious capital building. It's pure rubbish. Try asking it to prove that the economic prosperity is caused by the patent system rather than merely correlated.
        M8R-fhlcjm 14y ago
        I see, "troll" because I don't conform to your opinion. What is this, slashdot? > Try asking it to prove that the economic prosperity is caused by the patent system rather than merely correlated. About as provable as the opposite.
        marshray 14y ago
wwwtyro 14y ago
How much money did it cost to come up with "pinch-to-zoom"? I bet I could pay a gaggle of 5th graders 10$ to come up with it (and several other ideas) in an hour.
- cgh 14y ago
  Then why don't you? Often these simple and "obvious" sorts of ideas aren't very obvious at all. But prove me wrong, and get rich/contribute to the world in the process.
therandomguy 14y ago
Sorry that you are getting down voted and being called a troll for suggesting that patent and IP laws serve a purpose. I guess the down voters would be comfortable investing a billion dollar in R&D for a drug that Walgreens can copy in a week.

marshray 14y ago

Since your account is new, looks like banging on a keyboard, you provide nothing to support your arguments, and this has been debunked (specifically in the fields of interest here at HN) so many times now, I assume this is just a lame troll.

M8R-fhlcjm 14y ago
which element do you want me to support?: 1) R&D costs money 2) investors look for return on their investment 3) corporations continuously look to reduce costs Perhaps it is you who is continuing the echo chamber.
- marshray 14y ago
  You could start by backing up the statements patents provided the incentive to innovate and $spend on R&D in America, and and now free for all to copy and especially Without patents, smart investors will start to look at where they can most cheaply copy American innovations. It would be especally impressive if you could show that all these putative benefits were, in fact, a net gain over all the very tangible downsides of this idea monopoly casino that is our patent system.
  - M8R-fhlcjm 14y ago
    economies of countries with patent rights exceed economies without patents. And at the top is the U.S.A. with strongest patent rights.
    - marshray 14y ago
      Well if you look at regular GDP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nom... , China is right there at #2. They are hardly known for their strong patent enforcement. To the contrary, they're known for "lax IP" and as a place where anyone can start a factory and start making almost anything for export. They're said to be growing faster than the US too, probably in no small part because it's easier to make things there. If you look at per-captia GDP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP... instead, the US is way down at #8, behind Luxembourg, Qatar, Macau, Norway, Singapore, Kuwait, Brunei, Hong Kong, and Switzerland. How many of those countries are known for having "strong patent rights" and $B lawsuits and sales injuctions by patent holders against vendors? Hmm, looks instead like most of those are countries known for their ability to produce things of value and export them to other countries such as the US.
      - AnthonyMouse 14y ago
        Forget about all of that, you're just feeding the troll. The troll's premise is that correlation is causation, i.e. that large economies generally have patent systems and therefore that patent systems cause or are necessary to maintain large economies. This logic leads to the conclusion that an ostentatious capitol building is necessary for economic prosperity, because most major economies have an ostentatious capital building. It's pure rubbish. Try asking it to prove that the economic prosperity is caused by the patent system rather than merely correlated.
        M8R-fhlcjm 14y ago
        I see, "troll" because I don't conform to your opinion. What is this, slashdot? > Try asking it to prove that the economic prosperity is caused by the patent system rather than merely correlated. About as provable as the opposite.
        marshray 14y ago

wwwtyro 14y ago

How much money did it cost to come up with "pinch-to-zoom"? I bet I could pay a gaggle of 5th graders 10$ to come up with it (and several other ideas) in an hour.

cgh 14y ago
Then why don't you? Often these simple and "obvious" sorts of ideas aren't very obvious at all. But prove me wrong, and get rich/contribute to the world in the process.

therandomguy 14y ago

Sorry that you are getting down voted and being called a troll for suggesting that patent and IP laws serve a purpose. I guess the down voters would be comfortable investing a billion dollar in R&D for a drug that Walgreens can copy in a week.