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There is nothing wrong with allowing a equilibrium price to be established across borders. Customers get cheaper prices and workers better pay and better QoL th

There is nothing wrong with allowing a equilibrium price to be established across borders. Customers get cheaper prices and workers better pay and better QoL than in their home country. It's a win-win. Making life better elsewhere often happens through remittance or people who acquired skills elsewhere moving back. However, often prospering isn't happening due to systemic issues that an individual cannot change. If you don't believe that their life is in fact better you can try to convince them. But if you somehow think you are in a position where you should be making life choices for others we have fundamentally different values. Capitalism, Ho!

toomuchtodo 1mo ago
I don't need to convince anyone, anti-immigrant political sentiment just needs to remain high in the US for this to happen. Is this likely to happen? I think so, and this admin has at least another two and a half years in office while this impairs businesses requiring this exploited labor far into the future. Businesses will go without this labor, or hire workers in the US today, which will be somewhat sticky for some time. Good luck to the capitalists and attempting to pull these trajectories back towards what they want, it'll take years, if not longer. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/26/us/trump-tps-labor-shortage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/26/us/trump-tps-labor-shorta... | https://archive.today/cVIP1 https://archive.today/cVIP1 https://cis.org/Academic-Articles/Employment-Effects-Immigration-Enforcement-Initial-Assessment https://cis.org/Academic-Articles/Employment-Effects-Immigra... > If you don't believe that their life is in fact better you can try to convince them. But if you somehow think you are in a position where you should be making life choices for others we have fundamentally different values. US citizens get a vote, potential immigrants or those not legally in the US do not. I completely understand immigrants might feel differently on this. Everyone is entitled to their feelings, but not everyone gets a vote. Foreign born US residents make up ~15% of the US population (somewhat stale and likely does not account for recent departures, both voluntary and not). If someone feels entitled to access to the US in some capacity, economically or otherwise, that's unfortunate and not congruent with current policy (again, which will last at least another two and a half years). We have different values, that's all, with all due respect, compassion, and sympathy towards another human. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48940 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48940 https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Number-and-Share-US-Population-AllTime-Highs-January-2025 https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Number-and-Share-US-Popul...
- ajmurmann 1mo ago
  I'm not arguing that the US doesn't have the right to decide who moves here. I'm arguing that deciding what's best for others is a huge philosophical and ethical trap.
  - toomuchtodo 1mo ago
    Godspeed I suppose. https://robertreich.substack.com/p/you-or-someone-you-love-could-be https://robertreich.substack.com/p/you-or-someone-you-love-c...

toomuchtodo 1mo ago

I don't need to convince anyone, anti-immigrant political sentiment just needs to remain high in the US for this to happen. Is this likely to happen? I think so, and this admin has at least another two and a half years in office while this impairs businesses requiring this exploited labor far into the future. Businesses will go without this labor, or hire workers in the US today, which will be somewhat sticky for some time. Good luck to the capitalists and attempting to pull these trajectories back towards what they want, it'll take years, if not longer. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/26/us/trump-tps-labor-shortage.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/26/us/trump-tps-labor-shorta... | https://archive.today/cVIP1 https://archive.today/cVIP1 https://cis.org/Academic-Articles/Employment-Effects-Immigration-Enforcement-Initial-Assessment https://cis.org/Academic-Articles/Employment-Effects-Immigra... > If you don't believe that their life is in fact better you can try to convince them. But if you somehow think you are in a position where you should be making life choices for others we have fundamentally different values. US citizens get a vote, potential immigrants or those not legally in the US do not. I completely understand immigrants might feel differently on this. Everyone is entitled to their feelings, but not everyone gets a vote. Foreign born US residents make up ~15% of the US population (somewhat stale and likely does not account for recent departures, both voluntary and not). If someone feels entitled to access to the US in some capacity, economically or otherwise, that's unfortunate and not congruent with current policy (again, which will last at least another two and a half years). We have different values, that's all, with all due respect, compassion, and sympathy towards another human. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48940 https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R48940 https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Number-and-Share-US-Population-AllTime-Highs-January-2025 https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Number-and-Share-US-Popul...

ajmurmann 1mo ago
I'm not arguing that the US doesn't have the right to decide who moves here. I'm arguing that deciding what's best for others is a huge philosophical and ethical trap.
- toomuchtodo 1mo ago
  Godspeed I suppose. https://robertreich.substack.com/p/you-or-someone-you-love-could-be https://robertreich.substack.com/p/you-or-someone-you-love-c...