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Not every improvement is perfect, that’s true. I in particular fought against walrus syntax and don’t use pattern matching for other reasons. Python is also b

Not every improvement is perfect, that’s true. I in particular fought against walrus syntax and don’t use pattern matching for other reasons. Python is also boxed in by its history. Some of the things you want done are incongruent with its design. Many people like them however. And you’re being way too charitable to that dumbass comment.

ModernMech 2mo ago
I guess what I’m trying to do is draw a distinction between “improvement” and “change”. We can agree to disagree but my view is the things I called anti-features are not improvements at all, but rather loaded footguns. Python would be more coherent language without async/unenforced type hints/non exhaustive pattern matching. Like you say, it’s constrained by its history and I feel a lot of the recent changes are to make Python more palatable to the devs who are using it for AI and ML rather than keeping it true to to its nature.
- mixmastamyk 2mo ago
  Type hints are very helpful on big projects. And are enforced by other tools. Honestly, this kind of criticism shows a lack of experience, and denial of reality for an almost 40 year old language. It sounds like scoffing at a Silver medalist to me. In fact, Python is better at what it does than almost anything from the era. That’s why we use it. Nothing is ever going to be perfect because better solutions are emergent, and reverse time travel does not exist.
  - ModernMech 2mo ago
    > Honestly, this kind of criticism shows a lack of experience, and denial of reality for an almost 40 year old language. Okay that's where you lost me. You can talk about the language from your perspective, and like I said we can agree to disagree, but it crosses a line when you want to comment on others' experience and put them down just because they disagree with you. No on is scoffing here, what I wrote was a considered criticism. Have a nice day.
    - mixmastamyk 2mo ago
      It’s about as near a well-documented fact as there is in this industry, and not intended to be an insult. Sometimes we need a wake-up call, and yes they’re not usually enjoyable. I know as well as anyone else, having received my share over the years.

ModernMech 2mo ago

I guess what I’m trying to do is draw a distinction between “improvement” and “change”. We can agree to disagree but my view is the things I called anti-features are not improvements at all, but rather loaded footguns. Python would be more coherent language without async/unenforced type hints/non exhaustive pattern matching. Like you say, it’s constrained by its history and I feel a lot of the recent changes are to make Python more palatable to the devs who are using it for AI and ML rather than keeping it true to to its nature.

mixmastamyk 2mo ago
Type hints are very helpful on big projects. And are enforced by other tools. Honestly, this kind of criticism shows a lack of experience, and denial of reality for an almost 40 year old language. It sounds like scoffing at a Silver medalist to me. In fact, Python is better at what it does than almost anything from the era. That’s why we use it. Nothing is ever going to be perfect because better solutions are emergent, and reverse time travel does not exist.
- ModernMech 2mo ago
  > Honestly, this kind of criticism shows a lack of experience, and denial of reality for an almost 40 year old language. Okay that's where you lost me. You can talk about the language from your perspective, and like I said we can agree to disagree, but it crosses a line when you want to comment on others' experience and put them down just because they disagree with you. No on is scoffing here, what I wrote was a considered criticism. Have a nice day.
  - mixmastamyk 2mo ago
    It’s about as near a well-documented fact as there is in this industry, and not intended to be an insult. Sometimes we need a wake-up call, and yes they’re not usually enjoyable. I know as well as anyone else, having received my share over the years.