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NetBSD has no alternative to Chromium, Firefox, LLVM, Rust or Python. They use AI-generated software too, including in the base system.

lproven 1mo ago
This is simply not true. NetBSD includes Firefox: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/firefox/index.html https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/firefox... And Chromium: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/chromium/index.html https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/chromiu... And LLVM: https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/llvm/index.html https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/llvm/i... And Python: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/python311/index.html https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/python... In fact, the only thing that you mentioned that is not in its ports collection is a Rust compiler, as far as I can see. Code generated with LLMs is explicitly forbidden. I wrote about that last year: https://www.theregister.com/software/2024/05/18/gentoo-and-netbsd-ban-ai-code-but-debian-doesnt-yet/1434665 https://www.theregister.com/software/2024/05/18/gentoo-and-n... It's in the guidelines: https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html « Code generated by a large language model or similar technology, such as GitHub/Microsoft's Copilot, OpenAI's ChatGPT, or Facebook/Meta's Code Llama, is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core. » I don't know of any such thing getting approval. Yes, like OpenBSD, things might get grandfathered in. OpenBSD includes `tmux`. Tmux includes bot-assisted commits. I wrote about that too: https://www.theregister.com/software/2026/05/25/openbsd-79-arrives-a-diamond-in-the-rough-proud-of-every-sharp-edge/5244877 https://www.theregister.com/software/2026/05/25/openbsd-79-a...
- steveklabnik 1mo ago
  You are mistaken about what your parent is saying: they're saying that if you want a system untouched by LLMs, you must provide alternatives to those things, because those things have LLM-generated code in them.
  - natebc 1mo ago
    [dead]
  - lproven 1mo ago
    Oh, I see what you mean, now. All right: conceded -- that is true.
    - steveklabnik 1mo ago
      Yeah, just to be clear, I am not your parent, I just saw Rust mentioned and realized what was going on in this conversation, ha.

lproven 1mo ago

This is simply not true. NetBSD includes Firefox: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/firefox/index.html https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/firefox... And Chromium: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/chromium/index.html https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/www/chromiu... And LLVM: https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/llvm/index.html https://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/llvm/i... And Python: https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/python311/index.html https://cdn.netbsd.org/pub/pkgsrc/current/pkgsrc/lang/python... In fact, the only thing that you mentioned that is not in its ports collection is a Rust compiler, as far as I can see. Code generated with LLMs is explicitly forbidden. I wrote about that last year: https://www.theregister.com/software/2024/05/18/gentoo-and-netbsd-ban-ai-code-but-debian-doesnt-yet/1434665 https://www.theregister.com/software/2024/05/18/gentoo-and-n... It's in the guidelines: https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html « Code generated by a large language model or similar technology, such as GitHub/Microsoft's Copilot, OpenAI's ChatGPT, or Facebook/Meta's Code Llama, is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core. » I don't know of any such thing getting approval. Yes, like OpenBSD, things might get grandfathered in. OpenBSD includes `tmux`. Tmux includes bot-assisted commits. I wrote about that too: https://www.theregister.com/software/2026/05/25/openbsd-79-arrives-a-diamond-in-the-rough-proud-of-every-sharp-edge/5244877 https://www.theregister.com/software/2026/05/25/openbsd-79-a...

steveklabnik 1mo ago
You are mistaken about what your parent is saying: they're saying that if you want a system untouched by LLMs, you must provide alternatives to those things, because those things have LLM-generated code in them.
- natebc 1mo ago
  [dead]
- lproven 1mo ago
  Oh, I see what you mean, now. All right: conceded -- that is true.
  - steveklabnik 1mo ago
    Yeah, just to be clear, I am not your parent, I just saw Rust mentioned and realized what was going on in this conversation, ha.