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It looks like this also undercuts the already absurdly inexpensive Deepseek Flash in pricing. Wild.

• kzrdude 1mo ago
  (Edited: I thought Qwen3.8 Flash Next was smaller, but it's not, in bytes. Here's how they compare.) DSV4 Flash 304B params, 167 GB download (at full size) Qwen3.8 Flash Next 180B params, 360 GB download (at full size)
  • dalant979 1mo ago
    180B?
    • kzrdude 1mo ago
      125B regular params, 51B engrams, 4B MTP. Something like that. It should have a label of effectively 125B params with A6B (6B active).
• geooff_ 1mo ago
  Where are you seeing that? At the bottom of this post from Qwen I see: Qwen 3.8 flash: $0.16 / $0.47 Compared to Deepseek 0723: $0.03 / $0.075 (units in USD/m tok)
  • twohaibei 1mo ago
    0.03 / 0.075 ? Where can i get that prices? Especially during peak hours DS4flash became much more money hungry than last month. https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing
    • kaelwd 1mo ago
      https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731?endpoint=f954a48e-1c90-433b-9348-4720f8030331#pricing https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731?endpoi... 8t/s though apparently and their cache hit rate is terrible so I don't think it's worth it over Relace.
  • ls_stats 1mo ago
    Deepseek 0732 is $0.22/$0.66 off peak
  • water-drummer 1mo ago
    GLM-5.3-Flash which is larger and better, costs less than this