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Funny how all china companies are expected to release weights by default

by seydor 2mo ago

respectattentio 2mo ago
they are playing a completely different game than the US
Aurornis 2mo ago
All smaller models and models behind frontier are expected to be released by default. Otherwise there’s no reason to produce them. Chinese labs are not releasing all of their model weights. Qwen is known as an open weight model by most, but their top model is not open weight. Releasing weights is a marketing strategy for newer labs to get their brand out there.
- cute_boi 2mo ago
  Well, i don't see demands from people to release chatgpt 4o.
  - owebmaster 2mo ago
    It's funny that you chose the exactly model that has a huge fanbase asking for it to be added back. ChatGPT 4o got a lot of people addicted. https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-protest-rage-openai-reddit https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-pr...
    - cute_boi 2mo ago
      I feel it is the only model which has some humanity/empathy in many situation compared to latest "intelligent" model.
      - Leynos 2mo ago
        The latest snapshot of 5.6 Sol feels disturbingly 4o like at times on high in ChatGPT. Although it swears like a sailor
      - owebmaster 2mo ago
        I'm risking having less "humanity/empathy" than ChatGPT 4o now but that's a socializing problem of the people feeling that way. Models are calculators, not therapists/friends.
- square_usual 2mo ago
  Huh? Qwen released the weights of 3.8 Max, the only difference is the vision capability is "closed": https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B
square_usual 2mo ago
Xi has made it official policy, see his keynote speech at their World AI Conference last month: > We should seize this rare, historic opportunity to encourage open source, openness, collaboration and sharing. [1] People have pointed that this seemingly made Alibaba/Qwen turn around from closing their models (this was rumored after the shakeup early this year [2]) and release the weights for even the Max variant of their new models, which they previously did not. 1: http://english.scio.gov.cn/topnews/2026-07/18/content_118605932.html http://english.scio.gov.cn/topnews/2026-07/18/content_118605... 2: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Mar/4/qwen/ https://simonwillison.net/2026/Mar/4/qwen/
- hnfong 2mo ago
  Alibaba execs probably had PTSD from last time they attempted to defy CCP policy...
mschuster91 2mo ago
Well, China is at their usual barely legal (at least if the WTO would be worth even a bit after it got thoroughly gutted) game, just burning their effectively infinite cash reserves to undercut Western providers and eventually force them out of business. In the end there's barely any moat that any of the ludicrously "valued" AI companies have - the only thing justifying the valuations of SpaceX/xAI/Tesla/Anthropic/OpenAI is a supposed "secret sauce" that, frankly, barely exists any more. Everyone and their dog can go and run LLMs for dirt cheap on their own hardware.

Funny how all china companies are expected to release weights by default

by seydor 2mo ago

Funny how all china companies are expected to release weights by default

respectattentio 2mo ago

they are playing a completely different game than the US

Aurornis 2mo ago

All smaller models and models behind frontier are expected to be released by default. Otherwise there’s no reason to produce them. Chinese labs are not releasing all of their model weights. Qwen is known as an open weight model by most, but their top model is not open weight. Releasing weights is a marketing strategy for newer labs to get their brand out there.

cute_boi 2mo ago
Well, i don't see demands from people to release chatgpt 4o.
- owebmaster 2mo ago
  It's funny that you chose the exactly model that has a huge fanbase asking for it to be added back. ChatGPT 4o got a lot of people addicted. https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-protest-rage-openai-reddit https://mashable.com/article/chatgpt-gpt-4o-ai-retirement-pr...
  - cute_boi 2mo ago
    I feel it is the only model which has some humanity/empathy in many situation compared to latest "intelligent" model.
    - Leynos 2mo ago
      The latest snapshot of 5.6 Sol feels disturbingly 4o like at times on high in ChatGPT. Although it swears like a sailor
    - owebmaster 2mo ago
      I'm risking having less "humanity/empathy" than ChatGPT 4o now but that's a socializing problem of the people feeling that way. Models are calculators, not therapists/friends.
square_usual 2mo ago
Huh? Qwen released the weights of 3.8 Max, the only difference is the vision capability is "closed": https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-2.4T-A95B

square_usual 2mo ago

Xi has made it official policy, see his keynote speech at their World AI Conference last month: > We should seize this rare, historic opportunity to encourage open source, openness, collaboration and sharing. [1] People have pointed that this seemingly made Alibaba/Qwen turn around from closing their models (this was rumored after the shakeup early this year [2]) and release the weights for even the Max variant of their new models, which they previously did not. 1: http://english.scio.gov.cn/topnews/2026-07/18/content_118605932.html http://english.scio.gov.cn/topnews/2026-07/18/content_118605... 2: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Mar/4/qwen/ https://simonwillison.net/2026/Mar/4/qwen/

hnfong 2mo ago
Alibaba execs probably had PTSD from last time they attempted to defy CCP policy...

mschuster91 2mo ago

Well, China is at their usual barely legal (at least if the WTO would be worth even a bit after it got thoroughly gutted) game, just burning their effectively infinite cash reserves to undercut Western providers and eventually force them out of business. In the end there's barely any moat that any of the ludicrously "valued" AI companies have - the only thing justifying the valuations of SpaceX/xAI/Tesla/Anthropic/OpenAI is a supposed "secret sauce" that, frankly, barely exists any more. Everyone and their dog can go and run LLMs for dirt cheap on their own hardware.