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Posting this because I want people to vote -- and ideally vote for a total ban.

• js8 2mo ago
  What are your arguments for a ban? Why do you expect someone to listen if you didn't provide a justification?
• colesantiago 2mo ago
  > and ideally vote for a total ban. If a total ban were to happen, wouldn't that make Debian a target for hackers who can use LLMs to find vulnerabilities? How would Debian keep up with the influx of AI assisted 0 days?
  • ctenb 2mo ago
    Not using AI to write production code doesn't mean you can't use AI proactively to find vulnerabilities.
    • datakan 2mo ago
      Poster wants a "total ban", you can only deduce that means vulnerability management also.
      • drdexebtjl 2mo ago
        Or you could read the proposal and deduce nothing. It explicitly excludes security fixes.
        • sscaryterry 2mo ago
          Oh the hypocrisy...
  • sscaryterry 2mo ago
    Exactly, agreed 100% https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_the_land_of_the_blind,_the_one-eyed_man_is_king https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_the_land_of_the_blind,_the...
    • Planktonne 2mo ago
      H. G. Wells wrote about how this proverb has limitations [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Country_of_the_Blind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Country_of_the_Blind
      • sscaryterry 2mo ago
        No analogy, comparison (add your own language construct) is ever 100% true. Perhaps you should consider that my intent behind this was to say, that Debian will be blind, without ANY eyes.
• tescreal 2mo ago
  I'm curious about enforcement. Are they going to ban packages with a whiff of llm? If so, how will they reliably audit?
  • dan_gggggg 2mo ago
    [dead]
  • someaccount1234 2mo ago
    No, otherwise one would have to remove the Linux kernel, the Hurd kernel, LLVM, Python, Chromium, Firefox, Rust and everything using these. And probably some more.
• haunter 2mo ago
  > Posting this because I want people to vote Irrelevant to post it here then with your reasons because it only concerns Debian developers
  • lproven 2mo ago
    I wrote it. I am fully aware of that, and I said so in the piece. I want to spread awareness that it's happening -- it only has a couple of days to run. So far there are only ~350 votes: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_llm/ https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_llm/ Circa 270 people have voted: https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_llm/tally.txt https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_llm/tally.txt (My reckoning; could well be wrong!) With a project the size of Debian, I feel sure that is a tiny fraction of eligible developers.
• someaccount1234 2mo ago
  Given almost all people here cannot vote, does this mean you posted non-AI-generated slop? Wouldn't it be better to reduce slop, no matter how it was produced, instead of only AI-generated contributions, including non-slop contributions?
• VCFundedGenYer 2mo ago
  It does not appear that normal people can. There is no vote page, no information on how to, and we can only view results.
• TiredOfLife 2mo ago
  Are you going to fork kernel? If not then you are just a bunch of stupid hypocrites.