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Even at the hardware level, if it was a separate chip that the camera data passed through or something, that's not really good enough either, people have broken
by randomblock1 1mo ago
Even at the hardware level, if it was a separate chip that the camera data passed through or something, that's not really good enough either, people have broken TPMs before. It'd have to be baked into the camera sensor. Even then, you could attack it from the next level up, with some fancy optics and a display, or something like that.
I don't think completely solving this sort of problem is even possible.
- duskwuff 1mo agoAnd I'm not sure it's even useful to solve. The presence/absence of a digital signature will never be the deciding factor in whether people accept/reject an image as authentic.
- timcobb 1mo agoYeah this is what I don't get why are people even spending time on this.
- EA-3167 1mo agoA desperate attempt to preempt regulation.
- HWR_14 1mo agoIs this picture real or AI is a real problem it is worth money to solve.
- SoftTalker 1mo agoWhy? An image should never be proof of anything, by itself.
- HWR_14 1mo agoWhat should be sufficient proof for you that AI wont fake trivially?
- duskwuff 1mo agoWhat I'm getting at is that metadata that claims that a photo is "real" won't necessarily convince people that it is, and the lack of that metadata doesn't mean anything at all. About the only real use I've seen for C2PA is to confirm that an image bearing that metadata is AI-generated - and that marker is easily lost through editing or retransmission.
- silon42 1mo agoAnd it's very real problem to workaround (aka, hack the device into faking the signature).
- timcobb 1mo agoIt is (not sure I agree, but I can see how one would think this) but you're not going to solve it like this
- rackp 1mo ago[dead]
- jasonjayr 1mo agoAnd in 2026, I don't think it's too big of a stretch to imagine that there are going to be people in power that can add + remove the metadata to whatever image they want, at will, to tell whatever story they want to create. Sadly.
- gruez 1mo agoThere were similar fears about the webtrust CA system, but AFAIK there's no known incidents where a government strongarmed a CA into misissuing a MITM certificate, and then it was used in MITM attacks. The closest is some misissued certificates seemingly due to incompetence but weren't used in attacks.
- SoftTalker 1mo agoAnd there are unicorns living at the end of the rainbow.
- yjftsjthsd-h 1mo ago> Even then, you could attack it from the next level up, with some fancy optics and a display, or something like that. The analog hole is alive and well:)
- taneq 1mo agoAnd at that level, it’s a matter of definition anyway. What is “AI generated”? A photo of a screen showing an AI picture is still a photo. If that’s “AI” then what about a photo of an AI generated billboard? Or a photo of a bus with an AI graphic on the side?