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Not to mention how updates are tied to OS updates...

by arkon_hn 1mo ago

tengwar2 1mo ago
Hasn't been the case for some time.
- spartanatreyu 1mo ago
  Not true. MacOS releases a new version each year, the current MacOS landscape looks like: - MacOS Sequoia (previous version, everything works as expected) - MacOS Tahoe (current version, broken experience, basically Apple's "Windows Vista/8 moment") - MacOS Golden Gate (next version, fixes what was broken in Tahoe, comes out in a month) I'm on MacOS Sequoia because I have things that can't be broken by updating to Tahoe. I also cannot test how my websites/webapps will work in a month, because Safari's beta (called Safari Technology Preview) only works on Tahoe and Golden Gate. I cannot wait a month to update to Golden Gate because Golden Gate drops support for my iMac. And I can't test the new version of Safari on my Windows or Linux devices because Safari isn't available for them. I can test the Webkit browser, but that doesn't include the Safari specific changes that apple makes which I need to be able to test. --- So, I can't test Safari until I wait a month and purchase a new apple machine. (Oh by the way, apple keeps cancelling orders for new machines)
  - alwillis 1mo ago
    > And I can't test the new version of Safari on my Windows or Linux devices because Safari isn't available for them. You can download three Linux-compatible WebKit-based browsers from Apple's WebKit page: Epiphany Technology Preview: https://webkitgtk.org/epiphany-tech-preview https://webkitgtk.org/epiphany-tech-preview WPE: http://wpewebkit.org/download http://wpewebkit.org/download WebKitGTK: http://webkitgtk.org/download http://webkitgtk.org/download
    - tosti 1mo ago
      There are subtle differences. From the top of my head, differences with osx include the font rendering and the tab order (which is broken for everything except form elements).
      - alwillis 1mo ago
        I get it; when Safari was available for Windows, the font rendering was different from the Mac version.
dlahoda 1mo ago
What Updates tied? App Store updates use same networking and storage as OS? Why it is bad?
- deleted 1mo ago
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- flyingjoe 1mo ago
  because updating a single app via the app store is faster than updating the whole OS. Having a security vulnerability in a browser could be fixed immediately, but having to ship out a whole new OS leaves it open for a while. Especially with users generally being against/too lazy to do OS updates
  - arkon_hn 1mo ago
    Exactly this. We so often see people still using iOS versions from ~4 years ago despite having options to update. Apple holds the ecosystem back.
  - kekdkrjfjjwfj 1mo ago
    Except that they can and have pushed security updates that are not necessarily OS updates. Granted the process is still through the settings app, but the point still stands. They have a channel for pushing yellow and red alert updates. Anything else can easily wait a couple of months.
Unai 1mo ago
A non-evergreen browser in 2026 should be publicly ridiculed any time its name is brought up.
- account42 1mo ago
  Web developers who think you need the latest and greatest features to build a hypertext document are the ones who should be ridiculed.
  - Unai 1mo ago
    Thankfully, people with ridiculous opinions ridicule themselves. Like pretending the web is just documents, as if we were living three decades ago. Or pretending that "latest and greatest features" is the only reason to keep a browser updated. Or pretending that new features are somehow bad or not useful. Or defending poor Apple for wanting people to spend a grand on new hardware to update be able to update their browser.

Not to mention how updates are tied to OS updates...

tengwar2 1mo ago

Hasn't been the case for some time.

spartanatreyu 1mo ago
Not true. MacOS releases a new version each year, the current MacOS landscape looks like: - MacOS Sequoia (previous version, everything works as expected) - MacOS Tahoe (current version, broken experience, basically Apple's "Windows Vista/8 moment") - MacOS Golden Gate (next version, fixes what was broken in Tahoe, comes out in a month) I'm on MacOS Sequoia because I have things that can't be broken by updating to Tahoe. I also cannot test how my websites/webapps will work in a month, because Safari's beta (called Safari Technology Preview) only works on Tahoe and Golden Gate. I cannot wait a month to update to Golden Gate because Golden Gate drops support for my iMac. And I can't test the new version of Safari on my Windows or Linux devices because Safari isn't available for them. I can test the Webkit browser, but that doesn't include the Safari specific changes that apple makes which I need to be able to test. --- So, I can't test Safari until I wait a month and purchase a new apple machine. (Oh by the way, apple keeps cancelling orders for new machines)
- alwillis 1mo ago
  > And I can't test the new version of Safari on my Windows or Linux devices because Safari isn't available for them. You can download three Linux-compatible WebKit-based browsers from Apple's WebKit page: Epiphany Technology Preview: https://webkitgtk.org/epiphany-tech-preview https://webkitgtk.org/epiphany-tech-preview WPE: http://wpewebkit.org/download http://wpewebkit.org/download WebKitGTK: http://webkitgtk.org/download http://webkitgtk.org/download
  - tosti 1mo ago
    There are subtle differences. From the top of my head, differences with osx include the font rendering and the tab order (which is broken for everything except form elements).
    - alwillis 1mo ago
      I get it; when Safari was available for Windows, the font rendering was different from the Mac version.

dlahoda 1mo ago

What Updates tied? App Store updates use same networking and storage as OS? Why it is bad?

deleted 1mo ago
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flyingjoe 1mo ago
because updating a single app via the app store is faster than updating the whole OS. Having a security vulnerability in a browser could be fixed immediately, but having to ship out a whole new OS leaves it open for a while. Especially with users generally being against/too lazy to do OS updates
- arkon_hn 1mo ago
  Exactly this. We so often see people still using iOS versions from ~4 years ago despite having options to update. Apple holds the ecosystem back.
- kekdkrjfjjwfj 1mo ago
  Except that they can and have pushed security updates that are not necessarily OS updates. Granted the process is still through the settings app, but the point still stands. They have a channel for pushing yellow and red alert updates. Anything else can easily wait a couple of months.

Unai 1mo ago

A non-evergreen browser in 2026 should be publicly ridiculed any time its name is brought up.

account42 1mo ago
Web developers who think you need the latest and greatest features to build a hypertext document are the ones who should be ridiculed.
- Unai 1mo ago
  Thankfully, people with ridiculous opinions ridicule themselves. Like pretending the web is just documents, as if we were living three decades ago. Or pretending that "latest and greatest features" is the only reason to keep a browser updated. Or pretending that new features are somehow bad or not useful. Or defending poor Apple for wanting people to spend a grand on new hardware to update be able to update their browser.