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Musk has done a huge amount to put us INTO this situation.

ericmay 2mo ago
Which situation did Elon Musk put us in to? Can you elaborate? When did this situation start? What happened? What did he personally do that put us in the situation?
- chinathrow 2mo ago
  Funding DJT while he was running for office?
  - ericmay 2mo ago
    I'm not sure what situation we're in (can someone describe it please?), but did that situation only start the day Trump took office again after being elected by the American people?
    - chinathrow 2mo ago
      What are you talking about?
      - ericmay 2mo ago
        Please read the thread for context.
    - watwut 2mo ago
      And Musks money and twitter takeover did a lot of work to convince Americans vote for Trump. Then Musk joined the administration and continued digging the hole
      - ericmay 2mo ago
        Ok. The OP wrote: > You're being down-voted (and so shall I) but I think you're right. Despite all the animosity towards him, Musk is doing things that are economically meaningful for our nation. In the context of the US building big things, ramping up manufacturing, doing Space exploration, &c. and the person I replied to wrote: > Musk has done a huge amount to put us INTO this situation What situation did he put us in to in this context? Did he put us in to the situation where we are building bigger things now? Are you saying that there was a situation that we were put in to and that situation only started when Trump was elected and prior to that we were... what? Building big things and trying to restore manufacturing and now we're also doing that under Trump? Someone here should be specific about what they're talking about instead of just "Musk bad Trump bad". Yea they're both morons or whatever but what exactly are we supposedly criticizing here? Just that Trump got elected? Ok that's a boring conversation let's switch back to talking about manufacturing and building big projects in America.
        kijashdkujdfhas 2mo ago
        It'd be nice if his companies paid the tax they owe. https://itep.org/elon-musk-spacex-tax-breaks-doge/ https://itep.org/elon-musk-spacex-tax-breaks-doge/
        inemesitaffia 1mo ago
        They certainly are
        njovin 2mo ago
        I'll bite. Things we had in December 2024 that we no longer have today, all of which contribute to the success or failure of major initiatives: - 2.9% inflation - Billions of dollars of grants for state-run energy projects - NATCAST - Healthy & stable funding for the sciences - Competent leaders at the federal and military levels to oversee large complex projects - Healthy partnerships with allies Specific actions that have been taken by Trump (backed by Musk) that caused us to lose the above: - Starting an unnecessary war with Iran - Cancelling grants for energy projects specifically in blue states - Imposing nonsensical tariffs on trade partners - Starting a full-blown trade war with Canada - Alienating other allies, ex. starting a middle-east conflict without any alliances (excl. Israel) - Specifically closing NATCAST because "illegal" - Gutting of science funding by DOGE & others - Removal of competent leaders & prioritization of loyalty over competence when choosing staff I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when they bring up anything about Trump having a positive impact on manufacturing in America. For 4+ years he's been lying to the American public about how tariffs work and claiming that US consumers paying more taxes to the US gov't in the form of tariffs is going to 'return' manufacturing to the US. We have almost half a million unfilled manufacturing jobs in the US - explain to me again why this is a capacity problem?
    - sailfast 2mo ago
      Yes. Predictability is extremely important for markets and planning and general welfare. He doesn’t have to randomly declare things on a Thursday that haven’t changed for decades and create anxiety among (you name it community or industry) just to stay in the headlines. Donald Trump has destroyed predictability, as well as any semblance of functioning, predictable government. Trump is an extremely influential and powerful unilateral executive - in all the wrong ways. Evidence you say? I guess tariff policy and a completely arbitrary war with Iran that roiled markets, just to name a couple from this year.
  - yieldcrv 2mo ago
    fun fact, voters cause election consensus, not spending not spending ensures no voters know who you are, but the most spending doesn't result in the most votes funny prisoner's dilemma for partisans, well, more amusing if you sell ad space
    - nrmitchi 2mo ago
      > voters cause election consensus, not spending This is potentially one of the most out of touch comments I've seen here in a while, and that's saying something.
      - yieldcrv 2mo ago
        that view doesn’t make it false
        nrmitchi 2mo ago
        You are claiming (or pretending) that spend (ie, marketing spend) isn't one of, if not _the_, biggest factors in which of a set of options ends up being the winner? In this case you don't get to try the options first. You made a decision based on what you've seen and heard. And you think the advertising budget isn't the key thing?
        yieldcrv 2mo ago
        As I wrote “not spending ensures no voters know who you are, but the most spending doesn't result in the most votes” Did your eyes glaze over after the first line, it’s such a short comment
  - deleted 2mo ago
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- SmirkingRevenge 2mo ago
  One such example - he's using his massive wealth and influence to support fascist political movements that promise mass deportation and "remigration", and even supporting these policies explicitly himself. In the US, his political beneficiaries have managed to "achieve" net negative migration to the US for the first time in 50 years, and the first decline in overall population in US history. If this becomes the new trend (and if Musk gets his political desires fulfilled, it might), the hole is getting much, much deeper while our capacity to climb out is being severely impaired. And oh yea, he killed hundreds of thousands of kids, mostly under 5.
  - inemesitaffia 1mo ago
    South Africa?
- mbgerring 2mo ago
  He personally ran the department that eviscerated funding for basic scientific research in the United States
  - thegrim33 2mo ago
    [flagged]
    - jryan49 2mo ago
      Here ya go https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.html https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.ht... Something like 25% cut in new grants. 50% cuts to NSF... You could have just as easily found the data...
      - WalterBright 2mo ago
        I did a word search on that article (it's impossible to read with its idiotic presentation), and "musk" is not mentioned.
        mbgerring 2mo ago
        Are you being serious? Are you actually not aware that Elon Musk ran the federal government department tasked with cancelling federal grants and firing government employees in 2025? How is it possible that you are not aware of this?
        WalterBright 2mo ago
        Present some evidence that he cut NSF spending.
        jryan49 2mo ago
        A quick Google search will show you... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/national-science-foundation-doge-cuts/83282784007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/nati... You're just willfully ignorant
- UltraSane 2mo ago
  The one with the intentionally broken federal government

Which situation did Elon Musk put us in to? Can you elaborate? When did this situation start? What happened? What did he personally do that put us in the situation?

chinathrow 2mo ago
Funding DJT while he was running for office?
- ericmay 2mo ago
  I'm not sure what situation we're in (can someone describe it please?), but did that situation only start the day Trump took office again after being elected by the American people?
  - chinathrow 2mo ago
    What are you talking about?
    - ericmay 2mo ago
      Please read the thread for context.
  - watwut 2mo ago
    And Musks money and twitter takeover did a lot of work to convince Americans vote for Trump. Then Musk joined the administration and continued digging the hole
    - ericmay 2mo ago
      Ok. The OP wrote: > You're being down-voted (and so shall I) but I think you're right. Despite all the animosity towards him, Musk is doing things that are economically meaningful for our nation. In the context of the US building big things, ramping up manufacturing, doing Space exploration, &c. and the person I replied to wrote: > Musk has done a huge amount to put us INTO this situation What situation did he put us in to in this context? Did he put us in to the situation where we are building bigger things now? Are you saying that there was a situation that we were put in to and that situation only started when Trump was elected and prior to that we were... what? Building big things and trying to restore manufacturing and now we're also doing that under Trump? Someone here should be specific about what they're talking about instead of just "Musk bad Trump bad". Yea they're both morons or whatever but what exactly are we supposedly criticizing here? Just that Trump got elected? Ok that's a boring conversation let's switch back to talking about manufacturing and building big projects in America.
      - kijashdkujdfhas 2mo ago
        It'd be nice if his companies paid the tax they owe. https://itep.org/elon-musk-spacex-tax-breaks-doge/ https://itep.org/elon-musk-spacex-tax-breaks-doge/
        inemesitaffia 1mo ago
        They certainly are
      - njovin 2mo ago
        I'll bite. Things we had in December 2024 that we no longer have today, all of which contribute to the success or failure of major initiatives: - 2.9% inflation - Billions of dollars of grants for state-run energy projects - NATCAST - Healthy & stable funding for the sciences - Competent leaders at the federal and military levels to oversee large complex projects - Healthy partnerships with allies Specific actions that have been taken by Trump (backed by Musk) that caused us to lose the above: - Starting an unnecessary war with Iran - Cancelling grants for energy projects specifically in blue states - Imposing nonsensical tariffs on trade partners - Starting a full-blown trade war with Canada - Alienating other allies, ex. starting a middle-east conflict without any alliances (excl. Israel) - Specifically closing NATCAST because "illegal" - Gutting of science funding by DOGE & others - Removal of competent leaders & prioritization of loyalty over competence when choosing staff I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when they bring up anything about Trump having a positive impact on manufacturing in America. For 4+ years he's been lying to the American public about how tariffs work and claiming that US consumers paying more taxes to the US gov't in the form of tariffs is going to 'return' manufacturing to the US. We have almost half a million unfilled manufacturing jobs in the US - explain to me again why this is a capacity problem?
  - sailfast 2mo ago
    Yes. Predictability is extremely important for markets and planning and general welfare. He doesn’t have to randomly declare things on a Thursday that haven’t changed for decades and create anxiety among (you name it community or industry) just to stay in the headlines. Donald Trump has destroyed predictability, as well as any semblance of functioning, predictable government. Trump is an extremely influential and powerful unilateral executive - in all the wrong ways. Evidence you say? I guess tariff policy and a completely arbitrary war with Iran that roiled markets, just to name a couple from this year.
- yieldcrv 2mo ago
  fun fact, voters cause election consensus, not spending not spending ensures no voters know who you are, but the most spending doesn't result in the most votes funny prisoner's dilemma for partisans, well, more amusing if you sell ad space
  - nrmitchi 2mo ago
    > voters cause election consensus, not spending This is potentially one of the most out of touch comments I've seen here in a while, and that's saying something.
    - yieldcrv 2mo ago
      that view doesn’t make it false
      - nrmitchi 2mo ago
        You are claiming (or pretending) that spend (ie, marketing spend) isn't one of, if not _the_, biggest factors in which of a set of options ends up being the winner? In this case you don't get to try the options first. You made a decision based on what you've seen and heard. And you think the advertising budget isn't the key thing?
        yieldcrv 2mo ago
        As I wrote “not spending ensures no voters know who you are, but the most spending doesn't result in the most votes” Did your eyes glaze over after the first line, it’s such a short comment
- deleted 2mo ago
  [deleted]
SmirkingRevenge 2mo ago
One such example - he's using his massive wealth and influence to support fascist political movements that promise mass deportation and "remigration", and even supporting these policies explicitly himself. In the US, his political beneficiaries have managed to "achieve" net negative migration to the US for the first time in 50 years, and the first decline in overall population in US history. If this becomes the new trend (and if Musk gets his political desires fulfilled, it might), the hole is getting much, much deeper while our capacity to climb out is being severely impaired. And oh yea, he killed hundreds of thousands of kids, mostly under 5.
- inemesitaffia 1mo ago
  South Africa?
mbgerring 2mo ago
He personally ran the department that eviscerated funding for basic scientific research in the United States
- thegrim33 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - jryan49 2mo ago
    Here ya go https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.html https://www.nature.com/immersive/d41586-026-00088-9/index.ht... Something like 25% cut in new grants. 50% cuts to NSF... You could have just as easily found the data...
    - WalterBright 2mo ago
      I did a word search on that article (it's impossible to read with its idiotic presentation), and "musk" is not mentioned.
      - mbgerring 2mo ago
        Are you being serious? Are you actually not aware that Elon Musk ran the federal government department tasked with cancelling federal grants and firing government employees in 2025? How is it possible that you are not aware of this?
        WalterBright 2mo ago
        Present some evidence that he cut NSF spending.
        jryan49 2mo ago
        A quick Google search will show you... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/national-science-foundation-doge-cuts/83282784007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/26/nati... You're just willfully ignorant
UltraSane 2mo ago
The one with the intentionally broken federal government