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And the newly announced/launched Apple M6 has 170GB/s of unified memory bandwidth, meanwhile M5 Ultra gets 1.2TB/s of unified memory bandwidth. https://www.appl

And the newly announced/launched Apple M6 has 170GB/s of unified memory bandwidth, meanwhile M5 Ultra gets 1.2TB/s of unified memory bandwidth. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/08/apple-introduces-m6-and-m5-ultra-for-a-big-leap-in-performance-and-ai-compute/ https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/08/apple-introduces-m6-a... Not sure if the first one is a typo on their press release, can't be just 170GB/s then be pushed for AI use, can it? Could be a different measurement I suppose...

jtbayly 1mo ago
You got me curious so I looked up the previous chips[0]. Memory bandwidth M1: 68 GB/s M2: 100 GB/s (47% increase) M3: 100 GB/s (0% increase) M4: 120 GB/s (20% increase) M5: 153 GB/s (27.5% increase) So, M6: 170 GB/s (11% increase) doesn’t seem impossible, though I would have expected more. [0]: https://www.jdhodges.com/blog/apple-cpu-compared-m1-m3-m3-m4-m5-max/ https://www.jdhodges.com/blog/apple-cpu-compared-m1-m3-m3-m4...
- mhast 1mo ago
  The different models of chips and memory config have very different memory speeds as well. Eg the M4 Max 128GB has a bandwidth speed of 500GB/s+. And that's true for other models as well. But as you note, the base speed has also increased over the versions.
brandall10 1mo ago
From a bandwidth perspective, the ultra is like 8 M5s fused together (@ 150GB/s), that's how it gets to the 1200. Historically the Pro doubles the base, the Max doubles the Pro, and the Ultra doubles the Max. If an M6 ultra were released today it would be 1.36TB/s.
- DwarvenEngineer 1mo ago
  does that mean they're measuring bandwidth differently than how others (like nvidia) does it? memory bandwidth is the gating factor of running models locally, so if it's actually 8x 150GB/s, it may help something like prefill, but would it actually speed up decode comparatively?
  - entrope 1mo ago
    No, they use the same definition of memory bandwidth as others, but Apple Silicon has a lot of memory channels. In previous generations, prefill has been compute-limited and decode is fast. https://blog.exolabs.net/nvidia-dgx-spark/ https://blog.exolabs.net/nvidia-dgx-spark/ outlines a combination of a DGX Spark and an M3 Ultra that took advantage of fast prefill on the Nvidia hardware and fast decode on Apple Silicon.
ActorNightly 1mo ago
GFX vram is still faster.
pizza234 1mo ago
Not a hardware engineer, but it's mainly because of RAM wires/channels (not implying that this is "simple" form an engineering perspective). Using the published bandwidths, the math is 170 * 1 and 153 * 8.
- embedding-shape 1mo ago
  But 170GB/s is almost nothing? None of the RTX 50 series GPUs has that low bandwidth, you have to go back two generations of nvidia GPUs to get closer to that, and then it's the cheapest of the series, RTX 3050, which has ~170GB/s. Even the GTX 1080, launched ten years ago, has double the bandwidth! This must be some different way of measuring the bandwidth right? Since they explicitly say this for AI, but the numbers they share don't show that at all. Or I gravely misunderstand something here.
  - pizza234 1mo ago
    > Since they explicitly say this for AI That's marketing spin indeed (or lies, if you prefer).

jtbayly 1mo ago

You got me curious so I looked up the previous chips[0]. Memory bandwidth M1: 68 GB/s M2: 100 GB/s (47% increase) M3: 100 GB/s (0% increase) M4: 120 GB/s (20% increase) M5: 153 GB/s (27.5% increase) So, M6: 170 GB/s (11% increase) doesn’t seem impossible, though I would have expected more. [0]: https://www.jdhodges.com/blog/apple-cpu-compared-m1-m3-m3-m4-m5-max/ https://www.jdhodges.com/blog/apple-cpu-compared-m1-m3-m3-m4...

mhast 1mo ago
The different models of chips and memory config have very different memory speeds as well. Eg the M4 Max 128GB has a bandwidth speed of 500GB/s+. And that's true for other models as well. But as you note, the base speed has also increased over the versions.

brandall10 1mo ago

From a bandwidth perspective, the ultra is like 8 M5s fused together (@ 150GB/s), that's how it gets to the 1200. Historically the Pro doubles the base, the Max doubles the Pro, and the Ultra doubles the Max. If an M6 ultra were released today it would be 1.36TB/s.

DwarvenEngineer 1mo ago
does that mean they're measuring bandwidth differently than how others (like nvidia) does it? memory bandwidth is the gating factor of running models locally, so if it's actually 8x 150GB/s, it may help something like prefill, but would it actually speed up decode comparatively?
- entrope 1mo ago
  No, they use the same definition of memory bandwidth as others, but Apple Silicon has a lot of memory channels. In previous generations, prefill has been compute-limited and decode is fast. https://blog.exolabs.net/nvidia-dgx-spark/ https://blog.exolabs.net/nvidia-dgx-spark/ outlines a combination of a DGX Spark and an M3 Ultra that took advantage of fast prefill on the Nvidia hardware and fast decode on Apple Silicon.

ActorNightly 1mo ago

GFX vram is still faster.

pizza234 1mo ago

Not a hardware engineer, but it's mainly because of RAM wires/channels (not implying that this is "simple" form an engineering perspective). Using the published bandwidths, the math is 170 * 1 and 153 * 8.

embedding-shape 1mo ago
But 170GB/s is almost nothing? None of the RTX 50 series GPUs has that low bandwidth, you have to go back two generations of nvidia GPUs to get closer to that, and then it's the cheapest of the series, RTX 3050, which has ~170GB/s. Even the GTX 1080, launched ten years ago, has double the bandwidth! This must be some different way of measuring the bandwidth right? Since they explicitly say this for AI, but the numbers they share don't show that at all. Or I gravely misunderstand something here.
- pizza234 1mo ago
  > Since they explicitly say this for AI That's marketing spin indeed (or lies, if you prefer).