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Seems most computer companies are still boasting that they can beat the M1 and it's like...congrats on beating a 6 year old chipset?

bob1029 2mo ago
I still have zero urgency in upgrading from my M1 MBP.
- ant6n 2mo ago
  I don’t get that sentiment. I have an m4 16gb and it’s such a sluggish machine. and that’s not even doing development, just browsers, word, excel, PowerPoint. (And so many eternal bugs… I feel like I’m on windows)
  - georgel 2mo ago
    I have an M2 Pro MBP 16GB, compared to the latest MBP issued by my employer a couple months ago, I see zero difference in real world performance. Can’t speak for Office on Mac, I have not used it in over a decade, but for typical full stack web dev I literally don’t need anything more.
  - omnimus 2mo ago
    You better check health of your machine then.
    - ant6n 2mo ago
      I think software makes it sick. Perhaps it would be better without it.
  - alistairSH 2mo ago
    Sounds broken, somehow. The M1 iPad Pro I just traded in worked fine. Traded it for a Neo and the Neo does some stuff faster, but for day-to-day casual use, it's not notably different.
  - taude 2mo ago
    do you have a corp laptop with a dozen scanners like Carbon Black, Crowdstrike, etc. installed? My corp M4 Max with 48 GB is slower than my old M1 16GB machine by a large margin. I don't know what evil things those scanners do, but they're alwayus spinning like 35% CPU, and the M4 Max machine just drags..
    - ant6n 1mo ago
      Nope. Just a MacBook with office, safari, Firefox, and some finder replacement. And preview. If every tab and window uses 1GB+, then you don’t need many tabs/windows to bring the system to it’s knees.
- rconti 2mo ago
  Same. My personal laptop is an M1 Air and I also have an M1 Studio desktop. My work machine is an M4, and in "regular" use I can't tell the difference between them.
- whatsThisBtn4 2mo ago
  I have 0 urgency buying something more expensive than a $150 refurbished i5 16gb ram laptop. Local AI isnt useful for agent stuff.
Grombobulous 2mo ago
I don't think this is the case. Intel Panther lake beats the M5 in GPU and multi-core performance, and is only behind in single core (and not by much). Panther Lake is also on some Windows laptops that trounce MacBook battery life (e.g., Framework 13 Pro according to Just Josh Tech medium-brightness productivity benchmarking). The Snapdragon X2 Elite beats the M5 multi-core performance (the HP Omnibook Ultra 14 is priced identically spec-for-spec with the MacBook Pro with M5). Still behind in single core and probably graphics, but squarely in the same realm. Both of these chips are within small deviations of the M5. We could call Intel and Qualcomm 1 year behind at best.

bob1029 2mo ago

I still have zero urgency in upgrading from my M1 MBP.

ant6n 2mo ago
I don’t get that sentiment. I have an m4 16gb and it’s such a sluggish machine. and that’s not even doing development, just browsers, word, excel, PowerPoint. (And so many eternal bugs… I feel like I’m on windows)
- georgel 2mo ago
  I have an M2 Pro MBP 16GB, compared to the latest MBP issued by my employer a couple months ago, I see zero difference in real world performance. Can’t speak for Office on Mac, I have not used it in over a decade, but for typical full stack web dev I literally don’t need anything more.
- omnimus 2mo ago
  You better check health of your machine then.
  - ant6n 2mo ago
    I think software makes it sick. Perhaps it would be better without it.
- alistairSH 2mo ago
  Sounds broken, somehow. The M1 iPad Pro I just traded in worked fine. Traded it for a Neo and the Neo does some stuff faster, but for day-to-day casual use, it's not notably different.
- taude 2mo ago
  do you have a corp laptop with a dozen scanners like Carbon Black, Crowdstrike, etc. installed? My corp M4 Max with 48 GB is slower than my old M1 16GB machine by a large margin. I don't know what evil things those scanners do, but they're alwayus spinning like 35% CPU, and the M4 Max machine just drags..
  - ant6n 1mo ago
    Nope. Just a MacBook with office, safari, Firefox, and some finder replacement. And preview. If every tab and window uses 1GB+, then you don’t need many tabs/windows to bring the system to it’s knees.
rconti 2mo ago
Same. My personal laptop is an M1 Air and I also have an M1 Studio desktop. My work machine is an M4, and in "regular" use I can't tell the difference between them.
whatsThisBtn4 2mo ago
I have 0 urgency buying something more expensive than a $150 refurbished i5 16gb ram laptop. Local AI isnt useful for agent stuff.

Grombobulous 2mo ago

I don't think this is the case. Intel Panther lake beats the M5 in GPU and multi-core performance, and is only behind in single core (and not by much). Panther Lake is also on some Windows laptops that trounce MacBook battery life (e.g., Framework 13 Pro according to Just Josh Tech medium-brightness productivity benchmarking). The Snapdragon X2 Elite beats the M5 multi-core performance (the HP Omnibook Ultra 14 is priced identically spec-for-spec with the MacBook Pro with M5). Still behind in single core and probably graphics, but squarely in the same realm. Both of these chips are within small deviations of the M5. We could call Intel and Qualcomm 1 year behind at best.