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We do not need meat.

by jp191919 1mo ago

zug_zug 1mo ago
Datacenters have a readily available substitute to water if they just make less profit. I'm not giving up my meat so that datacenters can use it for cooling, if that's what you're suggesting.
- raincole 1mo ago
  So? Many people are not willing to give up their cloud services either? And there are other kinds of meat that cost less water to produce. I don't think someone who isn't willing to give up beef for chicken is at a higher moral ground than someone who wants cheap tokens.
- chneu 1mo ago
  Give up your meat consumption because it's more about societal excess than anything else. Meat is and mostly always has been(in euro societies) a luxury item meant mostly for the rich. Capitalism turned meat into a MUST HAVE item for keeping up with the Joneses. We consume absolute insane amounts of meat nowadays, and we waste about half of it, just so people can feel good cuz theyre eating a high class excess meal. Lol most people throughout history didn't eat much meat. It's wild how modern western people refuse to see how we'll destroy the planet trying to feed 8 billion people with the most inefficient method of creating calories(beef). The inefficiency IS THE POINT.
- ben_w 1mo ago
  From the above stats, a 2.3% change to USA meat consumption, up or down, has the same impact as a 100% change to data centre water consumption, up or down. If I read the USDA stats correctly, US red meat and poultry production went up about 5.6% from Jan-Jun 2025 to Jan-Jun 2026, i.e. the increased production of meat led to an increase in water use that was twice as much as the water use of all the data centres combined.
  - atmavatar 1mo ago
    It's not quite that simple. Most people who reduce/eliminate meat consumption are going to substitute something else rather than eat less, and what they substitute may be just as water intensive as the meat they replace. For example, if a person's meat diet is virtually all chicken (reasonable given prices lately), substituting the chicken for almonds is a net neutral change. Almonds use every bit as much water as chickens do. Granted, that may be an extreme example, as almonds are one of the more water-intensive crops, and chicken is one of the most water-efficient meats. There will likely be decent water savings in many cases, but at the very least, anything a person substitutes for their existing meat diet is going to use some water as well.
lightedman 1mo ago
In fact many humans need meat because the proper plant protein simply cannot grow/exist in their area. This is why we evolved to be omnivores. Basic biology laughs at your poorly-researched position.
- jp191919 1mo ago
  I'm referring to the majority of the population that lives in modern developed areas.
ghunio 1mo ago
True. I was going to hate the environmental destruction being wrought for the purpose of funneling more of our wealth to a handful billionaires who will use the AI against us, but then I remembered how bad meat eaters are for the plight of the common man, and now data centers don’t seem so bad after all.
LaSombra 1mo ago
We do not need more datacenters as well.

We do not need meat.

Datacenters have a readily available substitute to water if they just make less profit. I'm not giving up my meat so that datacenters can use it for cooling, if that's what you're suggesting.

raincole 1mo ago
So? Many people are not willing to give up their cloud services either? And there are other kinds of meat that cost less water to produce. I don't think someone who isn't willing to give up beef for chicken is at a higher moral ground than someone who wants cheap tokens.
chneu 1mo ago
Give up your meat consumption because it's more about societal excess than anything else. Meat is and mostly always has been(in euro societies) a luxury item meant mostly for the rich. Capitalism turned meat into a MUST HAVE item for keeping up with the Joneses. We consume absolute insane amounts of meat nowadays, and we waste about half of it, just so people can feel good cuz theyre eating a high class excess meal. Lol most people throughout history didn't eat much meat. It's wild how modern western people refuse to see how we'll destroy the planet trying to feed 8 billion people with the most inefficient method of creating calories(beef). The inefficiency IS THE POINT.
ben_w 1mo ago
From the above stats, a 2.3% change to USA meat consumption, up or down, has the same impact as a 100% change to data centre water consumption, up or down. If I read the USDA stats correctly, US red meat and poultry production went up about 5.6% from Jan-Jun 2025 to Jan-Jun 2026, i.e. the increased production of meat led to an increase in water use that was twice as much as the water use of all the data centres combined.
- atmavatar 1mo ago
  It's not quite that simple. Most people who reduce/eliminate meat consumption are going to substitute something else rather than eat less, and what they substitute may be just as water intensive as the meat they replace. For example, if a person's meat diet is virtually all chicken (reasonable given prices lately), substituting the chicken for almonds is a net neutral change. Almonds use every bit as much water as chickens do. Granted, that may be an extreme example, as almonds are one of the more water-intensive crops, and chicken is one of the most water-efficient meats. There will likely be decent water savings in many cases, but at the very least, anything a person substitutes for their existing meat diet is going to use some water as well.

lightedman 1mo ago

In fact many humans need meat because the proper plant protein simply cannot grow/exist in their area. This is why we evolved to be omnivores. Basic biology laughs at your poorly-researched position.

jp191919 1mo ago
I'm referring to the majority of the population that lives in modern developed areas.

ghunio 1mo ago

True. I was going to hate the environmental destruction being wrought for the purpose of funneling more of our wealth to a handful billionaires who will use the AI against us, but then I remembered how bad meat eaters are for the plight of the common man, and now data centers don’t seem so bad after all.

LaSombra 1mo ago

We do not need more datacenters as well.