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Yeah, it was a pretty silly and annoying opening to the article. Power is the only reason there's any difference in charge time for any of these devices. The

Yeah, it was a pretty silly and annoying opening to the article. Power is the only reason there's any difference in charge time for any of these devices. The reason their laptop is taking so long to charge is because they are likely using a phone charger on it. The reason an EV can't change in an hour is because nobody installs L3 chargers on their homes. The only reason it's related at all to battery size is because larger batteries need higher power levels in order to charge in an hour. I'm hand-waving a bit over chemistry because you are entirely right about the C rating.

LoganDark 2mo ago
> The reason an EV can't change in an hour is because nobody installs L3 chargers on their homes. The reason my EV can't charge in an hour is because it won't accept more than around 60KW, which charges it in about 3 hours.
- cogman10 2mo ago
  You have a 180KWh battery that only takes 60KW? What are you driving? That's a weird configuration.
  - misnome 2mo ago
    Most of that time could well be the last ~20% My car takes 240KW (It still feels insane to be delivering that much power) and 10-80% (56KWh) is about 15 minutes and 80-100% is another 15-20 minutes
    - cogman10 2mo ago
      Mine is the same. That's why I find a car that only accepts 60kW and charges for 3 hours to be odd. Even if I limited my car to only 60kW, it'd take about 1 hour and 4 minutes to get 80% and another 20 minutes for the remaining 20%. So around 1 1/2 hours (edit: fixing numbers)
      - LoganDark 2mo ago
        Mine takes around an hour and a half from zero to 80% and just over an hour the rest of the way. In general, I find it rather unpleasant when the last 20% takes almost as long as the preceding 80%. I usually only charge to just above 90% though because going above disables features.
    - LoganDark 2mo ago
      I usually charge from less than 10% to near 90%. Lower than 10 and the motors reduce output, higher than 93 and regenerative braking shuts off
  - LoganDark 2mo ago
    2025 Subaru Solterra. It's essentially the same as the 2022 model, and I juust managed to miss the new 2026 model that is better at everything except physical controls
    - cogman10 2mo ago
      Oh wow. I didn't know Subaru made EVs... and I can see why. That's horrible. It's really strange how much these older manufacturers struggle to make a good EV.
      - LoganDark 2mo ago
        This was one of Toyota's first BEVs (Subaru's EVs are all based on Toyota). It keeps trying to pretend to be an ICE vehicle and that pisses me off. (forward creep, no one-pedal driving, accelerator constantly modifies or ignores my input...) If it weren't a lease, I would pull it apart and hack the control units.
Gabrys1 2mo ago
Rule of thumb: ANY li-ion cell (or battery of cells) can charge from ~20 to ~70% in under 20 minutes. If not, the charging is not done correctly (either you're limited by the charger or the cooling of the battery)
- SideburnsOfDoom 2mo ago
  > If not, the charging is not done correctly For some value of "correct" but not others. For EV's, most of the time, the "correct" thing to do is to plug it in overnight, and let the software do the rest to optimise charging. Which might look something like: Charging to start at midnight (or whenever the cheap rate starts) and complete by 7am (or usual wakeup time) and minimise wear by charging below a fastest rate, and take the battery level from where it is now (e.g. 50%) to the configured stopping point (e.g. 80%) This is clearly different from "charge as fast as possible and be done in 20 minutes". Although that is occasionally the requirement. But not most of the time.
  - Gabrys1 2mo ago
    I miswrote. I meant that it's not the battery being the bottleneck, but rather something else - the charger, the cooling, the grid, the user/app setting a non-maximum power etc.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 2mo ago
      Agreed, though the other point is that the larger charging system (battery, charger, grid etc) being the bottleneck in need of optimisation is not typical. It happens, but not every time. For overnight charging, you want L2 and usually the rest doesn't matter so much.

LoganDark 2mo ago

> The reason an EV can't change in an hour is because nobody installs L3 chargers on their homes. The reason my EV can't charge in an hour is because it won't accept more than around 60KW, which charges it in about 3 hours.

cogman10 2mo ago
You have a 180KWh battery that only takes 60KW? What are you driving? That's a weird configuration.
- misnome 2mo ago
  Most of that time could well be the last ~20% My car takes 240KW (It still feels insane to be delivering that much power) and 10-80% (56KWh) is about 15 minutes and 80-100% is another 15-20 minutes
  - cogman10 2mo ago
    Mine is the same. That's why I find a car that only accepts 60kW and charges for 3 hours to be odd. Even if I limited my car to only 60kW, it'd take about 1 hour and 4 minutes to get 80% and another 20 minutes for the remaining 20%. So around 1 1/2 hours (edit: fixing numbers)
    - LoganDark 2mo ago
      Mine takes around an hour and a half from zero to 80% and just over an hour the rest of the way. In general, I find it rather unpleasant when the last 20% takes almost as long as the preceding 80%. I usually only charge to just above 90% though because going above disables features.
  - LoganDark 2mo ago
    I usually charge from less than 10% to near 90%. Lower than 10 and the motors reduce output, higher than 93 and regenerative braking shuts off
- LoganDark 2mo ago
  2025 Subaru Solterra. It's essentially the same as the 2022 model, and I juust managed to miss the new 2026 model that is better at everything except physical controls
  - cogman10 2mo ago
    Oh wow. I didn't know Subaru made EVs... and I can see why. That's horrible. It's really strange how much these older manufacturers struggle to make a good EV.
    - LoganDark 2mo ago
      This was one of Toyota's first BEVs (Subaru's EVs are all based on Toyota). It keeps trying to pretend to be an ICE vehicle and that pisses me off. (forward creep, no one-pedal driving, accelerator constantly modifies or ignores my input...) If it weren't a lease, I would pull it apart and hack the control units.

Gabrys1 2mo ago

Rule of thumb: ANY li-ion cell (or battery of cells) can charge from ~20 to ~70% in under 20 minutes. If not, the charging is not done correctly (either you're limited by the charger or the cooling of the battery)

SideburnsOfDoom 2mo ago
> If not, the charging is not done correctly For some value of "correct" but not others. For EV's, most of the time, the "correct" thing to do is to plug it in overnight, and let the software do the rest to optimise charging. Which might look something like: Charging to start at midnight (or whenever the cheap rate starts) and complete by 7am (or usual wakeup time) and minimise wear by charging below a fastest rate, and take the battery level from where it is now (e.g. 50%) to the configured stopping point (e.g. 80%) This is clearly different from "charge as fast as possible and be done in 20 minutes". Although that is occasionally the requirement. But not most of the time.
- Gabrys1 2mo ago
  I miswrote. I meant that it's not the battery being the bottleneck, but rather something else - the charger, the cooling, the grid, the user/app setting a non-maximum power etc.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 2mo ago
    Agreed, though the other point is that the larger charging system (battery, charger, grid etc) being the bottleneck in need of optimisation is not typical. It happens, but not every time. For overnight charging, you want L2 and usually the rest doesn't matter so much.