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False. Nostr is not “Layer 3” in any standard technical sense. Nostr is an open, decentralized protocol for exchanging and publishing messages/events. It doesn'

by teekert 2mo ago

False. Nostr is not “Layer 3” in any standard technical sense. Nostr is an open, decentralized protocol for exchanging and publishing messages/events. It doesn't sit on top of Bitcoin or Lightning in the way Lightning sits on Bitcoin. You absolutely can build/use Nostr without Lightning. Stop with this (anti-crypto)-bro fear mongering (yes anti-crypto in brackets as 1 thing). It's not helping FOSS, it's doing big-tech's work. You're just lying because you hate crypto. That is as bad as the blind evangelizing of cryptocurrencies.

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siwatanejo 2mo ago
Oh look, an anti-crypto guy that advocates for L402 support!!: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281948 Beeeep, wrong. Next question.
- teekert 2mo ago
  If you have any other proposal for true micropayments (as in fractions of cents of value that flow freely) please, indulge me. I for one would prefer to give value via lightning over forcing my eyeballs on ads everywhere I look. Same goes for the agents I deploy, I'd like to have methods of returning value for whatever value they extract (in the form of information).
  - siwatanejo 2mo ago
    You seem to not have understood my previous message at all. You said I'm anti-crypto, then I linked you to a msg I wrote in the past advocating for L402 (which is a Lightning-based protocol). I was just telling you that you're wrong. I'm a big believer that Lightning is the only way to solve micropayments. Now get your conspiracy theories somewhere else please.
    - teekert 2mo ago
      I indeed misunderstood, didn't realize that was you yourself you linked to. Sorry we are on the same boot it seems. Still, you're wrong about Nostr being useless without Lightning. And it is unhelpful to suggest it is.
      - siwatanejo 2mo ago
        You stand corrected, and I stand corrected too because I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt3jL1Ms0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt3jL1Ms0w (as suggested by other user in another comment) and it finally clicked.
  - inigyou 2mo ago
    My proposal is that you don't.
    - teekert 2mo ago
      Imo any fair future economy should embrace decentralized 9ie without a company taking a cut Apple style) frictionless sharing of value. Either that or we must have strive for a fair post-scarcity economy (Star Trek like). The way things are going I'm even more skeptical about achieving that.
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        Have we not learned that there's nothing money can't corrupt? Friction is probably a good idea or the network will be overrun by some kind of micro-scam demanding $0.00001 every millisecond from every user. You can still send money without integration, but you have to copy-paste an address into a separate bitcoin program and click a few buttons.

by teekert 2mo ago

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siwatanejo 2mo ago

Oh look, an anti-crypto guy that advocates for L402 support!!: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281948 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48281948 Beeeep, wrong. Next question.

teekert 2mo ago
If you have any other proposal for true micropayments (as in fractions of cents of value that flow freely) please, indulge me. I for one would prefer to give value via lightning over forcing my eyeballs on ads everywhere I look. Same goes for the agents I deploy, I'd like to have methods of returning value for whatever value they extract (in the form of information).
- siwatanejo 2mo ago
  You seem to not have understood my previous message at all. You said I'm anti-crypto, then I linked you to a msg I wrote in the past advocating for L402 (which is a Lightning-based protocol). I was just telling you that you're wrong. I'm a big believer that Lightning is the only way to solve micropayments. Now get your conspiracy theories somewhere else please.
  - teekert 2mo ago
    I indeed misunderstood, didn't realize that was you yourself you linked to. Sorry we are on the same boot it seems. Still, you're wrong about Nostr being useless without Lightning. And it is unhelpful to suggest it is.
    - siwatanejo 2mo ago
      You stand corrected, and I stand corrected too because I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt3jL1Ms0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbt3jL1Ms0w (as suggested by other user in another comment) and it finally clicked.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  My proposal is that you don't.
  - teekert 2mo ago
    Imo any fair future economy should embrace decentralized 9ie without a company taking a cut Apple style) frictionless sharing of value. Either that or we must have strive for a fair post-scarcity economy (Star Trek like). The way things are going I'm even more skeptical about achieving that.
    - inigyou 2mo ago
      Have we not learned that there's nothing money can't corrupt? Friction is probably a good idea or the network will be overrun by some kind of micro-scam demanding $0.00001 every millisecond from every user. You can still send money without integration, but you have to copy-paste an address into a separate bitcoin program and click a few buttons.