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Probably, and also from the fact that although there's a plethora of matrix clients and servers on paper, none is as feature complete (or feature-complete to th

by ezst 2mo ago

Probably, and also from the fact that although there's a plethora of matrix clients and servers on paper, none is as feature complete (or feature-complete to the point of usefulness, I might say) as "the one". XMPP has about one decent-to-great client per platform and multiple fully compatible and interoperable server implementations, and every single one of them is by different groups.

JadedBlueEyes 2mo ago
I mean for alternative servers, 10% of people use Continuwuity and it looks pretty spec-complete [0] and more than enough to be useful. [0]: https://forgejo.ellis.link/continuwuation/continuwuity/issues/880 https://forgejo.ellis.link/continuwuation/continuwuity/issue...
- ezst 2mo ago
  Last I checked (couple years ago?) it was ill-advised to use anything but Synapse, because: - you would be at the mercy of very real and frequent federation problems (Matrix being so implementation-dependent and centred around Synapse ; like, the json serialization format is better described as "whatever order and structure python's stdlib is doing"¹) - there is no non-destructive way back to another server (the open federation would just reject you, and you would have to "start anew"). Interestingly, that last one pushed some servers over the fence and into XMPP, and they could then switch implementations (e.g. from prosody to ejabberd) effortlessly. ¹: https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07#:~:text=matrix%20homeservers%20written%20in%20different%20languages%20have%20json%20interoperability%20issues https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07#:~:text=matrix%20hom...
  - tcfhgj 2mo ago
    1) solved by canonical Json many years ago, see https://spec.matrix.org/v1.19/appendices/#canonical-json https://spec.matrix.org/v1.19/appendices/#canonical-json (goes back to at least matrix 1.1 which was released 2021) 2) Why would open federation reject you? Given you don't throw away your private key
  - JadedBlueEyes 2mo ago
    1) That hasn't been a problem for at least half a decade. 2) What do you even mean? I've literally deleted my entire database and then spun up a new server on the same domain before, it does not matter, other servers do not care! The worst that could happen is messages from the original server can no longer be verified as valid - and even that isn't a problem in practice.

by ezst 2mo ago

JadedBlueEyes 2mo ago

I mean for alternative servers, 10% of people use Continuwuity and it looks pretty spec-complete [0] and more than enough to be useful. [0]: https://forgejo.ellis.link/continuwuation/continuwuity/issues/880 https://forgejo.ellis.link/continuwuation/continuwuity/issue...

ezst 2mo ago
Last I checked (couple years ago?) it was ill-advised to use anything but Synapse, because: - you would be at the mercy of very real and frequent federation problems (Matrix being so implementation-dependent and centred around Synapse ; like, the json serialization format is better described as "whatever order and structure python's stdlib is doing"¹) - there is no non-destructive way back to another server (the open federation would just reject you, and you would have to "start anew"). Interestingly, that last one pushed some servers over the fence and into XMPP, and they could then switch implementations (e.g. from prosody to ejabberd) effortlessly. ¹: https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07#:~:text=matrix%20homeservers%20written%20in%20different%20languages%20have%20json%20interoperability%20issues https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07#:~:text=matrix%20hom...
- tcfhgj 2mo ago
  1) solved by canonical Json many years ago, see https://spec.matrix.org/v1.19/appendices/#canonical-json https://spec.matrix.org/v1.19/appendices/#canonical-json (goes back to at least matrix 1.1 which was released 2021) 2) Why would open federation reject you? Given you don't throw away your private key
- JadedBlueEyes 2mo ago
  1) That hasn't been a problem for at least half a decade. 2) What do you even mean? I've literally deleted my entire database and then spun up a new server on the same domain before, it does not matter, other servers do not care! The worst that could happen is messages from the original server can no longer be verified as valid - and even that isn't a problem in practice.