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I feel like HN should ban discussion of homelessness, due to the extreme ignorance and prejudice of the comments. A bunch of people who don't know the first th

I feel like HN should ban discussion of homelessness, due to the extreme ignorance and prejudice of the comments. A bunch of people who don't know the first thing about it jumping to conclusions. The quality of the comments here is so so poor.

defrost 2mo ago
And there's an argument that the ignorance and poor comment quality is exactly why they should be kept, highlighted, and passed about.
- jimnotgym 2mo ago
  But what does one learn, if one is ignorant and is only reading ignorant comments?
  - defrost 2mo ago
    The reason red-backs have the publicly visible red stripe is so others can identify them for what they are. You're advocating for making red-backs less visible? Consider Meta-borg, it's their own comment history that may damn them in the multiplying deliberate child manipulation trials as common people clearly see how they think.
    - jimnotgym 2mo ago
      I don't get the references, sorry, but I do see your underlying point. I just wish the people who value critical thinking so highly when we are talking about the js ecosystem or llms, didn't turn into Victorians when we talk about poverty
      - defrost 2mo ago
        Apologies, busy times IRL. Red backs are an Australian spider that has a painful, potentially fatal, bite - you want to know what they are when dealing with them (often just moving them away from people you love, sometimes straight up the vacuum tube). Meta - formerly Facebook, is facing an increasing number of trials across the US and other countries related to their internally discussed in emails handling of children. attracting them, hooking them, and grooming them to be adult units of income, etc - regardless of detrimental effects.
  - armchairhacker 2mo ago
    How are the comments ignorant and what should we learn?
selfmodruntime 2mo ago
Even if a lot of discussion is ignorant, we can still observe that it works infinitely better for 95% of society in other countries where they handle it differently.
pelagicAustral 2mo ago
This reminds me of an idea. Of a mat, with conclusion on it, that you can jump into...
- armchairhacker 2mo ago
  It reminds me of what happened to public bathrooms.
kakacik 2mo ago
Nah problem doesn't go away if you hide it, it just festers in echo chambers and then bites back when you least expect it, with unexpected ferocity (cue last elections). This is open forum, let people voice their ideas even if you strongly oppose them. At least then folks don't live in illusion how rest of society has similar opinions on it as they do. I strongly oppose apple or meta for example, but asking for bans on this topic here would be ridiculous and put me into crank territory, right. You don't like the discussion? Close that tab and move on into something more productive is the best advice I can give you
- alt227 2mo ago
  > You don't like the discussion? Its nothing to do with not liking the discussion. People who have no idea about the research done in to homelessness, have not spoken to hundreds of homeless people or worked in support services to actually genuinely know about the situation are just causing more issues and hindering progress. Rough sleeping has been a thing as long as humans have been on the earth, and uninformed people just seem to think its a money issue or there is some other simple solution that lazy governments aren't doing. If the solution was a simple one of money in the right place it would have been solved years ago. The situation is infinitely more complex than that. Every persons story, reasons, and attitude to help are completely different. Feel free to have your open forum discussion, but as proven thousands of times before this uninformed discussion does nothing other than to cause arguments through unnecessary tension and hostility. This is a problem for very experienced people to work on, not for common people with no real life experience to throw comments on a public forum about.
  - profdevloper 2mo ago
    What recourse do those of us who want to live in a clean productive society have while we wait for the world's sociologists to finally figure out a solution to the homelessness problem? I don't think I'm alone in wanting to see panhandlers, drug addled zombies, and schizophrenics out of all public spaces.
    - alt227 2mo ago
baublet 2mo ago
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TonyStr 2mo ago
You think this topic should be banned because you don't agree with the people discussing it? I actually think there's a good argument here that the topic is politics, which is off-topic and doesn't belong on HN. But wanting it banned because you disagree is just childish... You also added nothing of your own to the discussion, simply stating that everyone else is ignorant and prejudiced.
timmg 2mo ago
I don’t think it’s productive to complain about the ignorance of the community without attempting to engage in educating it.

defrost 2mo ago

And there's an argument that the ignorance and poor comment quality is exactly why they should be kept, highlighted, and passed about.

jimnotgym 2mo ago
But what does one learn, if one is ignorant and is only reading ignorant comments?
- defrost 2mo ago
  The reason red-backs have the publicly visible red stripe is so others can identify them for what they are. You're advocating for making red-backs less visible? Consider Meta-borg, it's their own comment history that may damn them in the multiplying deliberate child manipulation trials as common people clearly see how they think.
  - jimnotgym 2mo ago
    I don't get the references, sorry, but I do see your underlying point. I just wish the people who value critical thinking so highly when we are talking about the js ecosystem or llms, didn't turn into Victorians when we talk about poverty
    - defrost 2mo ago
      Apologies, busy times IRL. Red backs are an Australian spider that has a painful, potentially fatal, bite - you want to know what they are when dealing with them (often just moving them away from people you love, sometimes straight up the vacuum tube). Meta - formerly Facebook, is facing an increasing number of trials across the US and other countries related to their internally discussed in emails handling of children. attracting them, hooking them, and grooming them to be adult units of income, etc - regardless of detrimental effects.
- armchairhacker 2mo ago
  How are the comments ignorant and what should we learn?

selfmodruntime 2mo ago

Even if a lot of discussion is ignorant, we can still observe that it works infinitely better for 95% of society in other countries where they handle it differently.

pelagicAustral 2mo ago

This reminds me of an idea. Of a mat, with conclusion on it, that you can jump into...

armchairhacker 2mo ago
It reminds me of what happened to public bathrooms.

kakacik 2mo ago

Nah problem doesn't go away if you hide it, it just festers in echo chambers and then bites back when you least expect it, with unexpected ferocity (cue last elections). This is open forum, let people voice their ideas even if you strongly oppose them. At least then folks don't live in illusion how rest of society has similar opinions on it as they do. I strongly oppose apple or meta for example, but asking for bans on this topic here would be ridiculous and put me into crank territory, right. You don't like the discussion? Close that tab and move on into something more productive is the best advice I can give you

alt227 2mo ago
> You don't like the discussion? Its nothing to do with not liking the discussion. People who have no idea about the research done in to homelessness, have not spoken to hundreds of homeless people or worked in support services to actually genuinely know about the situation are just causing more issues and hindering progress. Rough sleeping has been a thing as long as humans have been on the earth, and uninformed people just seem to think its a money issue or there is some other simple solution that lazy governments aren't doing. If the solution was a simple one of money in the right place it would have been solved years ago. The situation is infinitely more complex than that. Every persons story, reasons, and attitude to help are completely different. Feel free to have your open forum discussion, but as proven thousands of times before this uninformed discussion does nothing other than to cause arguments through unnecessary tension and hostility. This is a problem for very experienced people to work on, not for common people with no real life experience to throw comments on a public forum about.
- profdevloper 2mo ago
  What recourse do those of us who want to live in a clean productive society have while we wait for the world's sociologists to finally figure out a solution to the homelessness problem? I don't think I'm alone in wanting to see panhandlers, drug addled zombies, and schizophrenics out of all public spaces.
  - alt227 2mo ago

baublet 2mo ago

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TonyStr 2mo ago

You think this topic should be banned because you don't agree with the people discussing it? I actually think there's a good argument here that the topic is politics, which is off-topic and doesn't belong on HN. But wanting it banned because you disagree is just childish... You also added nothing of your own to the discussion, simply stating that everyone else is ignorant and prejudiced.

timmg 2mo ago

I don’t think it’s productive to complain about the ignorance of the community without attempting to engage in educating it.