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Good. What’s happening now in the corporate world (and other places) is very distasteful. Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a

Good. What’s happening now in the corporate world (and other places) is very distasteful. Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a job in the USA

iAMkenough 1mo ago
Why not? Let the Free Market decide. If Americans can’t compete on merit, that’s their own fault. We don’t need reverse DEI. I thought the argument and attacks on DEI policies were about not hiring solely based on merit. Now you’re asking for a safe space where unqualified Americans get jobs over more qualified candidates.
- like_any_other 1mo ago
  Having a country is now "reverse DEI". Good to know.
- mexicojalisco 1mo ago
  Because the country through policy should not act directly against the interests of its citizens. Blue collar is gone and white collar is halfway there. Why even have borders? The government is by the people FOR the people. Not AGAINST the people FOR corporate profits. The h1b is being abused against it’s original intent.
  - bubblethink 1mo ago
    That's for Congress to decide, not armchair commentators on HN, nor the executive branch.
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  - cosmicgadget 1mo ago
    I don't think he is advocating for this but rather juxtaposing it with common right wing talking points.
- karanbhangui 1mo ago
  Good immigration policy should serve the existing citizens of a nation.
  - iAMkenough 1mo ago
    I thought we didn’t like it when the government picks winners and losers.
- pnw_throwaway 1mo ago
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  - tomhow 1mo ago
    We've banned this account.
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- mancerayder 1mo ago
  A city's leadership shouldn't try to look after the city's interest? The answer to that is so obvious, you should look to explaining why it doesn't apply to the elected leadership of a nation.
  - iAMkenough 1mo ago
    Why should America’s best and brightest minds have to sacrifice the quality of talent on their teams? Choosing a less qualified candidate because of where the most qualified candidate was born. How is encouraging brain drain looking out for best interests?
    - cryo28 1mo ago
      The argumenth that H-1Bs are best and brightest is laughable and has been refuted so many time. I don't think anyone would argue against using H-1B as intended to bring best and brightest. If so, it would be nothing for the employers to pay a little bit to prove that the person is so good. However, the vast majority of H-1Bs are not better than Citizens/Perm residents. And my personal experience working with them side-by-side would actually say that outside of the big-tech the majority of typical H-1Bs are actually significantly worse than their US Citizen peers. The argument of that we need to import H-1Bs due to shortage on the local market is also laughable given the state the market has been in the last 5 years (constant layoffs, many qualified candidates can't land a job for 1.5-2 years).
mattrighetti 1mo ago
> Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a job in the USA Milton Friedman would have a couple of things to say about that
- budman1 1mo ago
  He would, except for he has been dead for 20 years.
rationalist 1mo ago
I forgot where I heard this, but the thought is that if a country takes the world's best and brightest, it means those other countries that they are coming from lose their best and brightest, making it harder for those other countries to succeed.
- onetimeusename 1mo ago
  Well arguably H-1B is being abused specifically to lower wages. I think we're aware especially given the contrived ways of circumventing how H-1B is supposed to be used like deliberately advertising jobs in an obscure print newspaper that doesn't even get circulated or modifying the job description to suit an international candidate alone. But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turchin#Elite_overproduction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turchin#Elite_overproduc...). We've basically massively expanded the number of highly credentialed people in the country and this might not be a good idea.
  - bubblethink 1mo ago
    This is one of the problems with this issue. People talking about it are pretty clueless and have no idea what they're talking about. They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy about something they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. >But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction. Props for finding incredibly niche and out-there theories to support your worldview. This is kind of nice about HN. Normally, people would just cite the great replacement theory or other leftist slop to support protectionism, but you found something even more bizarre. It reminds me of how Vance talks. He'll bring up latin incantations like ordo amoris to justify otherwise mundane cruelties.
    - onetimeusename 1mo ago
      > They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. Oh yes, yeesh, my bad, this is for green cards only, there's some hilariously low bar for H-1B yet it still exists. But let's just go back to my point that H-1B is used to lower wages. You can just search for it unless you think it's a conspiracy theory. For all your frothing hostility, I noticed you didn't try to defend lowered wages. What are you defending here? Corporate profits? Some kind of moral issue? Do you have evidence H-1B was vitally necessary? > incredibly niche and out-there theories It's a scientific theory. > support protectionism I think that misses the point if you mean trade protectionism. I am saying H-1B (also EB-2 and other degree to green card pipelines) presents a danger of destabilizing society. I already think that's obviously the case.
gosub100 1mo ago
And companies shouldnt lie and say "we just can't find people!"

Good. What’s happening now in the corporate world (and other places) is very distasteful. Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a job in the USA

iAMkenough 1mo ago

Why not? Let the Free Market decide. If Americans can’t compete on merit, that’s their own fault. We don’t need reverse DEI. I thought the argument and attacks on DEI policies were about not hiring solely based on merit. Now you’re asking for a safe space where unqualified Americans get jobs over more qualified candidates.

like_any_other 1mo ago
Having a country is now "reverse DEI". Good to know.
mexicojalisco 1mo ago
Because the country through policy should not act directly against the interests of its citizens. Blue collar is gone and white collar is halfway there. Why even have borders? The government is by the people FOR the people. Not AGAINST the people FOR corporate profits. The h1b is being abused against it’s original intent.
- bubblethink 1mo ago
  That's for Congress to decide, not armchair commentators on HN, nor the executive branch.
  - deleted 1mo ago
    [deleted]
- cosmicgadget 1mo ago
  I don't think he is advocating for this but rather juxtaposing it with common right wing talking points.
karanbhangui 1mo ago
Good immigration policy should serve the existing citizens of a nation.
- iAMkenough 1mo ago
  I thought we didn’t like it when the government picks winners and losers.
pnw_throwaway 1mo ago
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- tomhow 1mo ago
  We've banned this account.
  - pnw_throwaway 1mo ago
    [dead]
mancerayder 1mo ago
A city's leadership shouldn't try to look after the city's interest? The answer to that is so obvious, you should look to explaining why it doesn't apply to the elected leadership of a nation.
- iAMkenough 1mo ago
  Why should America’s best and brightest minds have to sacrifice the quality of talent on their teams? Choosing a less qualified candidate because of where the most qualified candidate was born. How is encouraging brain drain looking out for best interests?
  - cryo28 1mo ago
    The argumenth that H-1Bs are best and brightest is laughable and has been refuted so many time. I don't think anyone would argue against using H-1B as intended to bring best and brightest. If so, it would be nothing for the employers to pay a little bit to prove that the person is so good. However, the vast majority of H-1Bs are not better than Citizens/Perm residents. And my personal experience working with them side-by-side would actually say that outside of the big-tech the majority of typical H-1Bs are actually significantly worse than their US Citizen peers. The argument of that we need to import H-1Bs due to shortage on the local market is also laughable given the state the market has been in the last 5 years (constant layoffs, many qualified candidates can't land a job for 1.5-2 years).

mattrighetti 1mo ago

> Americans shouldn’t have to compete against the whole world to get a job in the USA Milton Friedman would have a couple of things to say about that

budman1 1mo ago
He would, except for he has been dead for 20 years.

rationalist 1mo ago

I forgot where I heard this, but the thought is that if a country takes the world's best and brightest, it means those other countries that they are coming from lose their best and brightest, making it harder for those other countries to succeed.

onetimeusename 1mo ago
Well arguably H-1B is being abused specifically to lower wages. I think we're aware especially given the contrived ways of circumventing how H-1B is supposed to be used like deliberately advertising jobs in an obscure print newspaper that doesn't even get circulated or modifying the job description to suit an international candidate alone. But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turchin#Elite_overproduction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turchin#Elite_overproduc...). We've basically massively expanded the number of highly credentialed people in the country and this might not be a good idea.
- bubblethink 1mo ago
  This is one of the problems with this issue. People talking about it are pretty clueless and have no idea what they're talking about. They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy about something they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. >But for me, a larger concern is elite overproduction. Props for finding incredibly niche and out-there theories to support your worldview. This is kind of nice about HN. Normally, people would just cite the great replacement theory or other leftist slop to support protectionism, but you found something even more bizarre. It reminds me of how Vance talks. He'll bring up latin incantations like ordo amoris to justify otherwise mundane cruelties.
  - onetimeusename 1mo ago
    > They get whipped up into an ignorant frenzy they don't understand. H-1B has no requirement for advertising in newspapers. Oh yes, yeesh, my bad, this is for green cards only, there's some hilariously low bar for H-1B yet it still exists. But let's just go back to my point that H-1B is used to lower wages. You can just search for it unless you think it's a conspiracy theory. For all your frothing hostility, I noticed you didn't try to defend lowered wages. What are you defending here? Corporate profits? Some kind of moral issue? Do you have evidence H-1B was vitally necessary? > incredibly niche and out-there theories It's a scientific theory. > support protectionism I think that misses the point if you mean trade protectionism. I am saying H-1B (also EB-2 and other degree to green card pipelines) presents a danger of destabilizing society. I already think that's obviously the case.

gosub100 1mo ago

And companies shouldnt lie and say "we just can't find people!"