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> Even popular in Japan, with e.g. The Apothecary Diaries and similar fare. Notably the Tang Dynasty in China was concurrent with the Taika Reforms, Nara perio

by SllX 1mo ago

> Even popular in Japan, with e.g. The Apothecary Diaries and similar fare. Notably the Tang Dynasty in China was concurrent with the Taika Reforms, Nara period & beginning of the Heian period in Japan.

A_D_E_P_T 1mo ago
And thus for a very long time, and even today to some extent, the Japanese (or their cultural theorists at any rate!) have viewed themselves as the inheritors of "true" Ancient Chinese culture -- unsullied by Mongol/Manchu/Communist influence. There's some truth to this. The Japanese preserved certain Tang Dynasty customs which were lost to China, and they have some of the best collections of Tang-era artifacts. This line of thought was, however, used in very unfortunate WWII-era propaganda, like "we have to invade China to rescue its civilization, only we can do this!"
- samudrijan 1mo ago
  They resent our freedoms!
  - toast0 1mo ago
    That was nice of them. I don't know if everyone would have sent them again!
- geokon 1mo ago
  In my experience the Chinese very much think this as well. Though it can be framed in a more derogatory way as "derivative" or "they just copied us" I'd argue its difficult to find major aspects of Japanese culture that don't trace back to ancient China (maybe the language, eating raw food and sumo)
  - einichi 1mo ago
    Shinto is a big one
  - IAmBroom 1mo ago
    Sushi is exceedingly modern. It's "derived" from a fish preservation method... which relies on salting and fermenting, so not really "raw" (more like sauerkraut than shredded cabbage).
    - geokon 1mo ago
      I had no idea! Very interesting. Even though it's so central to people's regional identity and general culture, a lot of Chinese food also has surprisingly recent origins. It's especially surprising b/c people generally are quite orthodox about their cooking and are rarely "experimental" (as in the west) - like the high brow seriousness surrounding sushi with it's standards and traditions. So it gives it a sense of historical gravity that's not actually there
      - IAmBroom 1mo ago
        That's a great point! The ritualistic "dressing" of sushi makes it seem ancient and enshrined.
kensai 1mo ago
Even portrayed in Japanese-related games: https://shogun2-encyclopedia.com/techs/gempei_civil_core_tang_military.html https://shogun2-encyclopedia.com/techs/gempei_civil_core_tan...

by SllX 1mo ago

A_D_E_P_T 1mo ago

And thus for a very long time, and even today to some extent, the Japanese (or their cultural theorists at any rate!) have viewed themselves as the inheritors of "true" Ancient Chinese culture -- unsullied by Mongol/Manchu/Communist influence. There's some truth to this. The Japanese preserved certain Tang Dynasty customs which were lost to China, and they have some of the best collections of Tang-era artifacts. This line of thought was, however, used in very unfortunate WWII-era propaganda, like "we have to invade China to rescue its civilization, only we can do this!"

samudrijan 1mo ago
They resent our freedoms!
- toast0 1mo ago
  That was nice of them. I don't know if everyone would have sent them again!
geokon 1mo ago
In my experience the Chinese very much think this as well. Though it can be framed in a more derogatory way as "derivative" or "they just copied us" I'd argue its difficult to find major aspects of Japanese culture that don't trace back to ancient China (maybe the language, eating raw food and sumo)
- einichi 1mo ago
  Shinto is a big one
- IAmBroom 1mo ago
  Sushi is exceedingly modern. It's "derived" from a fish preservation method... which relies on salting and fermenting, so not really "raw" (more like sauerkraut than shredded cabbage).
  - geokon 1mo ago
    I had no idea! Very interesting. Even though it's so central to people's regional identity and general culture, a lot of Chinese food also has surprisingly recent origins. It's especially surprising b/c people generally are quite orthodox about their cooking and are rarely "experimental" (as in the west) - like the high brow seriousness surrounding sushi with it's standards and traditions. So it gives it a sense of historical gravity that's not actually there
    - IAmBroom 1mo ago
      That's a great point! The ritualistic "dressing" of sushi makes it seem ancient and enshrined.

kensai 1mo ago

Even portrayed in Japanese-related games: https://shogun2-encyclopedia.com/techs/gempei_civil_core_tang_military.html https://shogun2-encyclopedia.com/techs/gempei_civil_core_tan...