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all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting th

all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns or break the law and eventually make sure law is changed to fit your business (e.g. first taxi medallions adjusted the law for themselves, and then Uber) Same is very difficult to do in China (look what happened to Jack Ma) or in Europe, because you have to follow some regulations

ahmed_1000 1mo ago
Thinking there's no corruption in China because Jack Ma got sent to a dungeon for being too mouthy is actually comical
- robotpepi 1mo ago
  there's less corruption than in the US nowadays.
  - ahmed_1000 1mo ago
    How would you know?
    - cromka 1mo ago
      Presumably based on the number of news headlines where China publicly executes for corruption.
- cromka 1mo ago
  > Same is very difficult > Thinking there's no corruption You see what you did here? > is actually comical Indeed.
reliabilityguy 1mo ago
> all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act?
- lintfordpickle 1mo ago
  > How would you call decades of ... I'd call it a whataboutism
  - reliabilityguy 1mo ago
    > I'd call it a whataboutism I would say that saying about anything “whataboutism” is a cheap way out. China does industrial espionage for the same end goals as American companies work on new things: market domination. So, I find it funny when someone is mad about American companies but not Chinese, while both pursuit the same goals.
- throwaw12 1mo ago
  > How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act? I want to share 3 things here, to think out loud: 1. lets not go too far to the past, because I will say industrial espionage is less harmful than imperialism. Imperialism costed millions of lives across India, Pakistan, African nations, Indonesia and even in China, we are talking about how the West got extremely rich, which allowed it to live in prosperity, when everyone else were struggling (impact of it is still ongoing for some nations). I am fine with lesser of 2 evils, which is an industrial espionage in this case. 2. I didn't say 'benelovent act' 3. this is not baked by a science, just a personal preference, I prefer if country supports companies to advance the country, rather than allowing companies get too rich and bail them out with taxpayer money if they fail because of their dumb actions. (not saying one is better than other, I like how CCP elevated China from 3rd world country to a level, even the US companies are scared, in very short time, without invading and extracting resources from other countries. But it obviously has its own problems (e.g. how competitive is the life in China for kids and so on), I am not saying China is perfect, but China became superpower in the last 30-40 years, which is an impressive accomplishment.
  - reliabilityguy 1mo ago
    China is imperialist as any other country. They extract resources from others like the British 100 years ago. This is hilarious that this whole “west is bad” makes people blind. > Imperialism costed millions of lives Chinese policies resulted in 10s of millions of their own people dead, and many millions in labor camps today. Sure, “west is bad” but China “has its problems”.

ahmed_1000 1mo ago

Thinking there's no corruption in China because Jack Ma got sent to a dungeon for being too mouthy is actually comical

robotpepi 1mo ago
there's less corruption than in the US nowadays.
- ahmed_1000 1mo ago
  How would you know?
  - cromka 1mo ago
    Presumably based on the number of news headlines where China publicly executes for corruption.
cromka 1mo ago
> Same is very difficult > Thinking there's no corruption You see what you did here? > is actually comical Indeed.

reliabilityguy 1mo ago

> all for profit companies are greedy by their nature, but US companies are on a different level because you can 'buy' the government by lobbying or supporting their election campaigns How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act?

lintfordpickle 1mo ago
> How would you call decades of ... I'd call it a whataboutism
- reliabilityguy 1mo ago
  > I'd call it a whataboutism I would say that saying about anything “whataboutism” is a cheap way out. China does industrial espionage for the same end goals as American companies work on new things: market domination. So, I find it funny when someone is mad about American companies but not Chinese, while both pursuit the same goals.
throwaw12 1mo ago
> How would you call decades of chinese state-sponsored industrial espionage of western IP? Benevolent act? I want to share 3 things here, to think out loud: 1. lets not go too far to the past, because I will say industrial espionage is less harmful than imperialism. Imperialism costed millions of lives across India, Pakistan, African nations, Indonesia and even in China, we are talking about how the West got extremely rich, which allowed it to live in prosperity, when everyone else were struggling (impact of it is still ongoing for some nations). I am fine with lesser of 2 evils, which is an industrial espionage in this case. 2. I didn't say 'benelovent act' 3. this is not baked by a science, just a personal preference, I prefer if country supports companies to advance the country, rather than allowing companies get too rich and bail them out with taxpayer money if they fail because of their dumb actions. (not saying one is better than other, I like how CCP elevated China from 3rd world country to a level, even the US companies are scared, in very short time, without invading and extracting resources from other countries. But it obviously has its own problems (e.g. how competitive is the life in China for kids and so on), I am not saying China is perfect, but China became superpower in the last 30-40 years, which is an impressive accomplishment.
- reliabilityguy 1mo ago
  China is imperialist as any other country. They extract resources from others like the British 100 years ago. This is hilarious that this whole “west is bad” makes people blind. > Imperialism costed millions of lives Chinese policies resulted in 10s of millions of their own people dead, and many millions in labor camps today. Sure, “west is bad” but China “has its problems”.