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ICE officers with electric-shock gloves

58 points by Alien1Being 1mo ago

testing22321 1mo ago
The use of traditional tasers by law enforcement is fascinating. A Polish immigrant was tased by Canadian police while in handcuffs, and died as a result. [1] When investigators asked for the studies and data about how tasers were proven safe for use on humans, the answer was “what?”. Turns out nobody tested, or certified or in any way figured out of tasers are safe on humans. Companies just started making them and selling them to police forces en mass. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Dzieka%C5%84...
- lokar 1mo ago
  The original argument was they were safer than a firearm. IMO the problem is they don’t then use the same standard for use. Only to save a life etc, full investigation every time.
- throwawaypath 1mo ago
  "Less-lethal" != "safe"
- nom 1mo ago
  It's worse. So many people have died that Taser invented a medical diagnosis to explain them away: Excited Delirium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium As we all know, people get so excited when they interact with the police that sometimes it's just too much and they die. It just happens. Very normal.
josefritzishere 1mo ago
Having seen video of police tazing people in the head and neck... I would posit that they are intending to make the tazer as dangerous as possible through misuse.
mindslight 1mo ago
The longer this criminal terror gang continues to operate with impunity, the more we need to be thoroughly documenting individuals who will need to face justice for our society to heal when we eventually get our Nuremberg moment. In this case, at least whomever is signing off on this deliberately malevolent escalation of force, including up their autocratic chain of command, whomever tortures or kills using these devices, plus whomever is managing their manufacture/sale (graft being only real goal here beyond performative cruelty). Everyone involved knows what they are doing is at odds with the western values of liberty and human rights our country was founded upon and made great by - they simply don't care due to whatever grievance they have with the system (legitimate or not). Which is why when flagrant criminality happens within their ranks and turns into a national issue, they double down rather than taking a minute to do any sort of reflection. And so - no clemency, no amnesty, no "just following orders", no "my orders were misinterpreted", no mass pardons, no slinking back into the shadows holding on to their "lost cause". Criminal responsibility, period. Government jackboots executing people might be considered just fun "anti-woke" entertainment in 2026, but it needs to be known that the winds will eventually shift.
- dimaggiosghost 1mo ago
  I have been suggesting that we hold the trials in Appomattox, for symbolic reasons.
- rnd0 1mo ago
  It's cute that you seem to think anyone will ever be held accountable ever again. Anyone who's studied history knows what direction this is going to go and the chances of their being a Nuremburg Trail II are very, very slim.
  - mindslight 1mo ago
    It's not a matter of "cute" and thinking that Nuremberg-style accountability will definitively happen, but rather that if we are going to fight for our liberty then we must draw clear lines in the sand about things like morality and values. This isn't merely some political disagreement over how to implement policy that effects shared values, but rather a political party being wholly taken over by malevolent anti-American interests and convincing its constituents to shred their own morality. The need for moral lines in the sand applies across the whole spectrum - all the way from the edgelords still simping for the cucked Republican party because line goes up or trolling makes them feel powerful or whatever, to the would-be opposition party who needs to know that a message of "you have to vote for us because we're less bad" is woefully insufficient.
Alien1Being 1mo ago
When the inevitable trials of the Trump administration and it's agents occurs... We should ask Germany to let us hold the trials in Nuremberg.
- bathtub365 1mo ago
  The US doesn’t recognize the ICC and has sanctioned its members. What makes you think anything will come of this unless nuclear bombs are dropped and the sitting president puts a bullet in his own head because he doesn’t want to be captured and tortured by encroaching Soviet troops?

58 points by Alien1Being 1mo ago

The use of traditional tasers by law enforcement is fascinating. A Polish immigrant was tased by Canadian police while in handcuffs, and died as a result. [1] When investigators asked for the studies and data about how tasers were proven safe for use on humans, the answer was “what?”. Turns out nobody tested, or certified or in any way figured out of tasers are safe on humans. Companies just started making them and selling them to police forces en mass. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Dzieka%C5%84ski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Robert_Dzieka%C5%84...

lokar 1mo ago
The original argument was they were safer than a firearm. IMO the problem is they don’t then use the same standard for use. Only to save a life etc, full investigation every time.
throwawaypath 1mo ago
"Less-lethal" != "safe"
nom 1mo ago
It's worse. So many people have died that Taser invented a medical diagnosis to explain them away: Excited Delirium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_delirium As we all know, people get so excited when they interact with the police that sometimes it's just too much and they die. It just happens. Very normal.

josefritzishere 1mo ago

Having seen video of police tazing people in the head and neck... I would posit that they are intending to make the tazer as dangerous as possible through misuse.

mindslight 1mo ago

The longer this criminal terror gang continues to operate with impunity, the more we need to be thoroughly documenting individuals who will need to face justice for our society to heal when we eventually get our Nuremberg moment. In this case, at least whomever is signing off on this deliberately malevolent escalation of force, including up their autocratic chain of command, whomever tortures or kills using these devices, plus whomever is managing their manufacture/sale (graft being only real goal here beyond performative cruelty). Everyone involved knows what they are doing is at odds with the western values of liberty and human rights our country was founded upon and made great by - they simply don't care due to whatever grievance they have with the system (legitimate or not). Which is why when flagrant criminality happens within their ranks and turns into a national issue, they double down rather than taking a minute to do any sort of reflection. And so - no clemency, no amnesty, no "just following orders", no "my orders were misinterpreted", no mass pardons, no slinking back into the shadows holding on to their "lost cause". Criminal responsibility, period. Government jackboots executing people might be considered just fun "anti-woke" entertainment in 2026, but it needs to be known that the winds will eventually shift.

dimaggiosghost 1mo ago
I have been suggesting that we hold the trials in Appomattox, for symbolic reasons.
rnd0 1mo ago
It's cute that you seem to think anyone will ever be held accountable ever again. Anyone who's studied history knows what direction this is going to go and the chances of their being a Nuremburg Trail II are very, very slim.
- mindslight 1mo ago
  It's not a matter of "cute" and thinking that Nuremberg-style accountability will definitively happen, but rather that if we are going to fight for our liberty then we must draw clear lines in the sand about things like morality and values. This isn't merely some political disagreement over how to implement policy that effects shared values, but rather a political party being wholly taken over by malevolent anti-American interests and convincing its constituents to shred their own morality. The need for moral lines in the sand applies across the whole spectrum - all the way from the edgelords still simping for the cucked Republican party because line goes up or trolling makes them feel powerful or whatever, to the would-be opposition party who needs to know that a message of "you have to vote for us because we're less bad" is woefully insufficient.

Alien1Being 1mo ago

When the inevitable trials of the Trump administration and it's agents occurs... We should ask Germany to let us hold the trials in Nuremberg.

bathtub365 1mo ago
The US doesn’t recognize the ICC and has sanctioned its members. What makes you think anything will come of this unless nuclear bombs are dropped and the sitting president puts a bullet in his own head because he doesn’t want to be captured and tortured by encroaching Soviet troops?