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I had this trigger the other day incorrectly and went and installed Paint.net. I pasted in a screenshot I took and just wanted to resize it. I got a banner sayi

by JoeBOFH 1mo ago

I had this trigger the other day incorrectly and went and installed Paint.net. I pasted in a screenshot I took and just wanted to resize it. I got a banner saying it was made with AI and would be updated to reflect that.

initramfs 1mo ago
I guess it shouldn't be surprising if an application called "paint.net" can determined if AI was used when connected to the internet. (I have used Paint.net more than a decade ago).
- aqfamnzc 1mo ago
  Paint.net is named after the dot net framework and is not referring to a URL or the internet as I understand it.
  - initramfs 1mo ago
    ah, right, i vaguely recall that now. But why/how would it know AI was used, outside of a local LLM, weird it would say that AI was used (unless it's referring to the software itself).
    - dr_zoidberg 1mo ago
      MS Paint wanted to add the "this is AI" tag on a picture they just resized. OP didn't like that, so they went and downloaded Paint.Net to avoid having to deal with (MS) Paint shenanigans.
      - initramfs 1mo ago
        Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for pointing it out. I guess MSPaint scans for that now on Windows 10 and 11, or just 11?
  - erk__ 1mo ago
    Paint.net actually just recently got ownership of paint.net, it only took 22 years: https://www.xda-developers.com/after-22-years-paintnet-downloadable-from-url-paintnet/ https://www.xda-developers.com/after-22-years-paintnet-downl...
- a1o 1mo ago
  They aren’t saying that, paint.net is an open source application, Paint is the descendant of MSPaint.
  - Ajedi32 1mo ago
    Paint.net is freeware, but it is not open source.
- JoeBOFH 1mo ago
  I was stating that MS Paint mis categorized a Print Screen screenshot as AI generated when pasted. Which pushed me to install PaintdotNet onto my laptop instead.
  - TeMPOraL 1mo ago
    > mis categorized a Print Screen screenshot as AI generated Maybe. Question is, was that a false positive, or merely a bad user-facing message? Assuming you didn't have any AI-generated images caught in the screenshot (e.g. some advert - plenty of those even in Microsoft apps like Weather, nowadays), what if - and I'm speculating here; I don't know if anyone actually does it yet, but it's so obvious they eventually will - - what if parts of your screenshot already had an invisible watermark on it, like the ones for tagging AI images? You can imagine an app rendering its window to texture, and embedding a watermark on those pixels before sending it over to the system compositor, and the reasons have nothing to do with AI. Watermarks are DRM tech. "AI generated" is just a specific kind of metadata that can be put in one, and a huge red herring for discussions. It's only a matter of time before we'll need to have software for detecting and removing real-time watermarks from display output at OS level. (Unless, of course, platforms decide to add app window live watermarking as a "feature", and given the story with remote attestation, I think it's more than likely.)

by JoeBOFH 1mo ago

initramfs 1mo ago

I guess it shouldn't be surprising if an application called "paint.net" can determined if AI was used when connected to the internet. (I have used Paint.net more than a decade ago).

aqfamnzc 1mo ago
Paint.net is named after the dot net framework and is not referring to a URL or the internet as I understand it.
- initramfs 1mo ago
  ah, right, i vaguely recall that now. But why/how would it know AI was used, outside of a local LLM, weird it would say that AI was used (unless it's referring to the software itself).
  - dr_zoidberg 1mo ago
    MS Paint wanted to add the "this is AI" tag on a picture they just resized. OP didn't like that, so they went and downloaded Paint.Net to avoid having to deal with (MS) Paint shenanigans.
    - initramfs 1mo ago
      Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for pointing it out. I guess MSPaint scans for that now on Windows 10 and 11, or just 11?
- erk__ 1mo ago
  Paint.net actually just recently got ownership of paint.net, it only took 22 years: https://www.xda-developers.com/after-22-years-paintnet-downloadable-from-url-paintnet/ https://www.xda-developers.com/after-22-years-paintnet-downl...
a1o 1mo ago
They aren’t saying that, paint.net is an open source application, Paint is the descendant of MSPaint.
- Ajedi32 1mo ago
  Paint.net is freeware, but it is not open source.
JoeBOFH 1mo ago
I was stating that MS Paint mis categorized a Print Screen screenshot as AI generated when pasted. Which pushed me to install PaintdotNet onto my laptop instead.
- TeMPOraL 1mo ago
  > mis categorized a Print Screen screenshot as AI generated Maybe. Question is, was that a false positive, or merely a bad user-facing message? Assuming you didn't have any AI-generated images caught in the screenshot (e.g. some advert - plenty of those even in Microsoft apps like Weather, nowadays), what if - and I'm speculating here; I don't know if anyone actually does it yet, but it's so obvious they eventually will - - what if parts of your screenshot already had an invisible watermark on it, like the ones for tagging AI images? You can imagine an app rendering its window to texture, and embedding a watermark on those pixels before sending it over to the system compositor, and the reasons have nothing to do with AI. Watermarks are DRM tech. "AI generated" is just a specific kind of metadata that can be put in one, and a huge red herring for discussions. It's only a matter of time before we'll need to have software for detecting and removing real-time watermarks from display output at OS level. (Unless, of course, platforms decide to add app window live watermarking as a "feature", and given the story with remote attestation, I think it's more than likely.)