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The Chinese are coming after these greedy-ass frontier labs. Today Xiaomi unveiled it's own inference machine .... I bet it's gonna be cheaper than Nvidia DGX,

The Chinese are coming after these greedy-ass frontier labs. Today Xiaomi unveiled it's own inference machine .... I bet it's gonna be cheaper than Nvidia DGX, shipped with open source models that anybody can have at home.

bogzz 1mo ago
I'm not sure I could characterize the frontier labs as greedy, given that they've been consistently losing gargantuan amounts of money. The people who give them the money are greedy, and hopefully in for a rude awakening. Starting from Nvidia's vendor financing which has a very direct benefit to them, through to every company and oligarch investing into data centres in the hopes of being one of the ones left capitalizing on capturing the livelihoods of the majority of what remains of the "middle class". It's either hopium or a truly horrific dystopia. Something's going to have to give.
- wonnage 1mo ago
  The company may be losing money but the people are getting enormously rich and cashing out religiously
_ink_ 1mo ago
But can these really be trusted? There was just a HN post which proofed that you can train a model to behave completely different on a certain day. How do we now, that these models do not find a way to call home when they see interesting informations (probably irrelevant on a personal level, but corps, government and military might care).
- wonnage 1mo ago
  ChatGPT already notifies the authorities if it thinks you’re doing something illegal. Fable downgrades itself if it thinks you’re doing something even vaguely suspicious.
  - chasd00 1mo ago
    > ChatGPT already notifies the authorities if it thinks you’re doing something illegal. aside from the obvious IP theft problem, it's probably most dangerous for Chinese users outside China to use the Chinese models.
- Yiin 1mo ago
  Above average levels of paranoia here, but one way you can prevent that is by not connecting the machine in question to the internet.
  - giwook 1mo ago
    I think it's an average level of paranoia given the level of corporate espionage that happens on a daily basis, and it's not just China that's doing it.

bogzz 1mo ago

I'm not sure I could characterize the frontier labs as greedy, given that they've been consistently losing gargantuan amounts of money. The people who give them the money are greedy, and hopefully in for a rude awakening. Starting from Nvidia's vendor financing which has a very direct benefit to them, through to every company and oligarch investing into data centres in the hopes of being one of the ones left capitalizing on capturing the livelihoods of the majority of what remains of the "middle class". It's either hopium or a truly horrific dystopia. Something's going to have to give.

wonnage 1mo ago
The company may be losing money but the people are getting enormously rich and cashing out religiously

_ink_ 1mo ago

But can these really be trusted? There was just a HN post which proofed that you can train a model to behave completely different on a certain day. How do we now, that these models do not find a way to call home when they see interesting informations (probably irrelevant on a personal level, but corps, government and military might care).

wonnage 1mo ago
ChatGPT already notifies the authorities if it thinks you’re doing something illegal. Fable downgrades itself if it thinks you’re doing something even vaguely suspicious.
- chasd00 1mo ago
  > ChatGPT already notifies the authorities if it thinks you’re doing something illegal. aside from the obvious IP theft problem, it's probably most dangerous for Chinese users outside China to use the Chinese models.
Yiin 1mo ago
Above average levels of paranoia here, but one way you can prevent that is by not connecting the machine in question to the internet.
- giwook 1mo ago
  I think it's an average level of paranoia given the level of corporate espionage that happens on a daily basis, and it's not just China that's doing it.