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Might as well say "Annas Archive OWES ELEVENTY HUNDRED BILLIONTY-TRILLIONTY INFINITY DOLLARS!!!!!111" ala elementary school playground make-believe. I remember

by nekusar 2mo ago

Might as well say "Annas Archive OWES ELEVENTY HUNDRED BILLIONTY-TRILLIONTY INFINITY DOLLARS!!!!!111" ala elementary school playground make-believe. I remember when RIAA was shaking down 15 year olds for $7000 for a single Metallica download from Napster. Or how Aaron Schwartz was executed by proxy by JSTOR and the feds, for what should have been free to access for all. But hey, Anthropic, OpenAI, X, and others can pirate to their hearts content with for-profit piracy, but "we" (royal) are OK with that. We just cant have the poors have access to the sum of human knowledge.

palmotea 2mo ago
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- nekusar 2mo ago
  "We are going to jail you for half or more of your life, restrict any medicines you might be on, treat you in deplorable conditions, constitute you as a slave of the state if we decide so". And there is no parole in federal prisons. Feds did NOT have to choose to go the route they did. Their pursuance of a victimless "crime" lead to Aaron's only path was 'Exit'. Sure, he committed suicide. Why? Because his life was already significantly threatened with what amounts to torture by prison.
  - tokai 2mo ago
    The feds are not JSTOR now are they? Your discourse is disgusting and only weakens the cause.
    - KennyBlanken 2mo ago
      I started typing out something but they're foaming at the mouth and wildly ignorant about nearly everything ranging from the basics of how the US criminal trial system works, PACER fee policies, the fact that prosecutors spent a year negotiating with Schwartz over a plea deal with a final offer of 6 months...a deal he refused against the advice of friends, family, his partner, Any time someone starts shrieking "half his life" you can assume they don't know a single factual thing about the case. From the tone, ignorance, drama, and attitude I'm guessing they're about 22 years old.
  - sejje 2mo ago
    JSTOR didn't want the criminal charges
    - rpdillon 2mo ago
      But Carmen Ortiz did.
- kenanfyi 2mo ago
  Sure. That he was facing 35 years in prison for his “crimes“ had nothing to with his suicide.
  - KennyBlanken 2mo ago
    Please educate yourself about how the US criminal justice system actually works, especially around plea deals. Also especially around sentencing for white collar crimes in terms of what white collar criminals are actually sentenced to, and what is typically taken into consideration by judges during sentencing phases (like, say, mental health issues.) Please also educate yourself about how federal prosecutors treated Schwartz after he scraped PACER. Please also educate yourself about how long prosecutors attempted to negotiate a plea deal with Schwartz, what their final offer was, what his family, friends, his girlfriend, and his team of top-shelf, famous lawyers advised him to do, and what he actually did.
    - nekusar 2mo ago
      Please educate YOURSELF about criminal actions by a company is a fine (read: cost of doing business), whereas criminal actions by a person get years/decades long prison time and life-long ramifications after the actual punishment. And PACER is federal court documents. Its a fucking scam and travesty that a system soo heavily built on precedent gatekeeps its own law at $.10/page. Aaron is a motherfucking hero.
    - kenanfyi 1mo ago
      US criminal justice system has justice only on its name and that's it. I am always amazed how individuals defend these joke you call a system. Amazing.
- NegativeLatency 2mo ago
  Why did he commit suicide?
- Catloafdev 2mo ago
  If only you were able to take your perspective one step farther. Why did he commit suicide?
  - sejje 2mo ago
    Because something was wrong in his brain and he couldn't handle the stress of his situation. Many people have faced similar or worse charges, and did not commit suicide, so we'll have to point at something else. Fuck them for what they did to him, but we should be rallying to get him set free. We can't start pointing fingers at other people for suicides. We have agency.
  - palmotea 2mo ago
    > If only you were able to take your perspective one step farther. Why did he commit suicide? If I get dumped and I commit suicide because of it, does that mean I was "executed by proxy" by my girlfriend/boyfriend? "Executed by proxy" is ridiculous, overheated rhetoric.
- tetris11 2mo ago
  People can be predisposed towards something, and then have a tipping point brought by periods of great stress Jason Arday recently committed suicide due to media pressure, and even when the media was told that he was not mentally well and should please back off, they didn't. The man was accused of plagiarism, and there was no final verdict on if he did. The institutions that hired him clearly had no issues in vetting him. And yet he committed suicide. There are absolutely horrible people out there right now who's entire careers are shams, and don't even come close to thinking about it. People are built different, and have different triggers
  - sejje 2mo ago
    > The man was accused of plagiarism, and there was no final verdict on if he did. Bullshit. It wasn't the first round of plagiarism, or redactions. His whole supposed life story was a fraud. He passed off other researchers' patient interviews as his own.
  - KennyBlanken 2mo ago
    > accused of plagiarism Weird way to spell "lied about nearly every facet of his life and anyone who questioned it was aggressively accused of being racist."
brcmthrowaway 2mo ago
> elementary school playground make-believe Oh yeah? Well, my dad works at Anna's Archive.
mmooss 2mo ago
> I remember when RIAA was shaking down 15 year olds for $7000 for a single Metallica download from Napster. Why didn't Metallica's fans rebel? That would have stopped it quickly and set a precedent and example for the rest.
- bethekidyouwant 2mo ago
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- npongratz 2mo ago
  Many of us did, and I certainly still do, but there obviously weren't enough of us rebelling to convince them of how reprehensible it is to sue your own fans and sic the guns of the state on them.
  - mmooss 2mo ago
    > sue your own fans What an incredible strategy - and it worked! And in something that's entertainment and fandom-driven; it's not like the fans need a medication, job, or their auto warranty. How pathetic. The day rock'n'roll died.
- tentacleuno 1mo ago
  I have just been reading an article about it from the EFF[0]. What a vitriolic, hateful enterprise. > Take, for example, the case of the Tammy Lafky, a 41-year-old sugar mill worker and single mother in Minnesota. Because her teenage daughter downloaded some music last year—an activity both mother and daughter believed to be legal— Lafky now faces over $500,000 in penalties. The RIAA has offered to settle for $4000, but even that sum is well beyond Lafky’s means—she earns just $21,000 per year and receives no child support. It gets worse: > Among those sued was Brianna Lahara, a twelve-year-old girl living with her single mother in public housing in New York City. In order to settle the case, Brianna was forced to apologize publicly and pay $2,000. How could one justify tearing cash from the hands of poor children? The irony is that they may have been downloading music because they couldn't afford it in the first place, yet wanted to keep up with their peers. [0]: https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/RIAAatTWO_FINAL.pdf https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/RIAAatTWO_FINAL.pdf

by nekusar 2mo ago

palmotea 2mo ago

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nekusar 2mo ago
"We are going to jail you for half or more of your life, restrict any medicines you might be on, treat you in deplorable conditions, constitute you as a slave of the state if we decide so". And there is no parole in federal prisons. Feds did NOT have to choose to go the route they did. Their pursuance of a victimless "crime" lead to Aaron's only path was 'Exit'. Sure, he committed suicide. Why? Because his life was already significantly threatened with what amounts to torture by prison.
- tokai 2mo ago
  The feds are not JSTOR now are they? Your discourse is disgusting and only weakens the cause.
  - KennyBlanken 2mo ago
    I started typing out something but they're foaming at the mouth and wildly ignorant about nearly everything ranging from the basics of how the US criminal trial system works, PACER fee policies, the fact that prosecutors spent a year negotiating with Schwartz over a plea deal with a final offer of 6 months...a deal he refused against the advice of friends, family, his partner, Any time someone starts shrieking "half his life" you can assume they don't know a single factual thing about the case. From the tone, ignorance, drama, and attitude I'm guessing they're about 22 years old.
- sejje 2mo ago
  JSTOR didn't want the criminal charges
  - rpdillon 2mo ago
    But Carmen Ortiz did.
kenanfyi 2mo ago
Sure. That he was facing 35 years in prison for his “crimes“ had nothing to with his suicide.
- KennyBlanken 2mo ago
  Please educate yourself about how the US criminal justice system actually works, especially around plea deals. Also especially around sentencing for white collar crimes in terms of what white collar criminals are actually sentenced to, and what is typically taken into consideration by judges during sentencing phases (like, say, mental health issues.) Please also educate yourself about how federal prosecutors treated Schwartz after he scraped PACER. Please also educate yourself about how long prosecutors attempted to negotiate a plea deal with Schwartz, what their final offer was, what his family, friends, his girlfriend, and his team of top-shelf, famous lawyers advised him to do, and what he actually did.
  - nekusar 2mo ago
    Please educate YOURSELF about criminal actions by a company is a fine (read: cost of doing business), whereas criminal actions by a person get years/decades long prison time and life-long ramifications after the actual punishment. And PACER is federal court documents. Its a fucking scam and travesty that a system soo heavily built on precedent gatekeeps its own law at $.10/page. Aaron is a motherfucking hero.
  - kenanfyi 1mo ago
    US criminal justice system has justice only on its name and that's it. I am always amazed how individuals defend these joke you call a system. Amazing.
NegativeLatency 2mo ago
Why did he commit suicide?
Catloafdev 2mo ago
If only you were able to take your perspective one step farther. Why did he commit suicide?
- sejje 2mo ago
  Because something was wrong in his brain and he couldn't handle the stress of his situation. Many people have faced similar or worse charges, and did not commit suicide, so we'll have to point at something else. Fuck them for what they did to him, but we should be rallying to get him set free. We can't start pointing fingers at other people for suicides. We have agency.
- palmotea 2mo ago
  > If only you were able to take your perspective one step farther. Why did he commit suicide? If I get dumped and I commit suicide because of it, does that mean I was "executed by proxy" by my girlfriend/boyfriend? "Executed by proxy" is ridiculous, overheated rhetoric.
tetris11 2mo ago
People can be predisposed towards something, and then have a tipping point brought by periods of great stress Jason Arday recently committed suicide due to media pressure, and even when the media was told that he was not mentally well and should please back off, they didn't. The man was accused of plagiarism, and there was no final verdict on if he did. The institutions that hired him clearly had no issues in vetting him. And yet he committed suicide. There are absolutely horrible people out there right now who's entire careers are shams, and don't even come close to thinking about it. People are built different, and have different triggers
- sejje 2mo ago
  > The man was accused of plagiarism, and there was no final verdict on if he did. Bullshit. It wasn't the first round of plagiarism, or redactions. His whole supposed life story was a fraud. He passed off other researchers' patient interviews as his own.
- KennyBlanken 2mo ago
  > accused of plagiarism Weird way to spell "lied about nearly every facet of his life and anyone who questioned it was aggressively accused of being racist."

brcmthrowaway 2mo ago

> elementary school playground make-believe Oh yeah? Well, my dad works at Anna's Archive.

mmooss 2mo ago

> I remember when RIAA was shaking down 15 year olds for $7000 for a single Metallica download from Napster. Why didn't Metallica's fans rebel? That would have stopped it quickly and set a precedent and example for the rest.

bethekidyouwant 2mo ago
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npongratz 2mo ago
Many of us did, and I certainly still do, but there obviously weren't enough of us rebelling to convince them of how reprehensible it is to sue your own fans and sic the guns of the state on them.
- mmooss 2mo ago
  > sue your own fans What an incredible strategy - and it worked! And in something that's entertainment and fandom-driven; it's not like the fans need a medication, job, or their auto warranty. How pathetic. The day rock'n'roll died.
tentacleuno 1mo ago
I have just been reading an article about it from the EFF[0]. What a vitriolic, hateful enterprise. > Take, for example, the case of the Tammy Lafky, a 41-year-old sugar mill worker and single mother in Minnesota. Because her teenage daughter downloaded some music last year—an activity both mother and daughter believed to be legal— Lafky now faces over $500,000 in penalties. The RIAA has offered to settle for $4000, but even that sum is well beyond Lafky’s means—she earns just $21,000 per year and receives no child support. It gets worse: > Among those sued was Brianna Lahara, a twelve-year-old girl living with her single mother in public housing in New York City. In order to settle the case, Brianna was forced to apologize publicly and pay $2,000. How could one justify tearing cash from the hands of poor children? The irony is that they may have been downloading music because they couldn't afford it in the first place, yet wanted to keep up with their peers. [0]: https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/RIAAatTWO_FINAL.pdf https://w2.eff.org/IP/P2P/RIAAatTWO_FINAL.pdf