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This is a more general question, which is "Why don't people take accountability for their actions?" Because it's hard work and it's easier to let someone else

This is a more general question, which is "Why don't people take accountability for their actions?" Because it's hard work and it's easier to let someone else bear the costs.

ydat 1mo ago
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mittermayr 1mo ago
That's a more noble aspect of framing the question, and I guess I could even see why someone may try to not kamikaze themselves out of a financially very juicy system even if it was their own actions causing the trouble. However, they all operate in some form of management mesh, so clearly, one level up or across the line must notice or know who caused the chaos? Maybe it is the nature of how failure is expressed at that level, to know a team of 30 has been let go and is not available as your extended arm to execute anymore. So, where it manifests as a job loss at a level lower, it is merely a limitation of power for them.
- inigyou 1mo ago
  Maybe blaming someone else for a failure is more likely to backfire on you.
- lazide 1mo ago
  If everyone at a given level is playing the game, only those without leverage on everyone else are easy targets
MisterTea 1mo ago
> Why don't people take accountability for their actions? This is not my experience. People who are in positions of power, e.g. managers, are the kind of people who are incapable of admitting fault. They can't lose face so the shit is rolled downhill. It's narcissism.
- inigyou 1mo ago
  Clearly that trait is selected for.
  - tygon 1mo ago
    Often times, narcissism comes with a strong will and assertiveness. It is hard to be full of yourself if you cannot also project yourself. People respect that kind of assertiveness. "Clearly, if this guy is so sure of themself, they must be good..." is the mindset many fall into. Of course, this line of thinking usually does not hold up forever and the facade can eventually break down.
exolymph 1mo ago
The question is actually how do people get away with avoiding accountability for their actions?

This is a more general question, which is "Why don't people take accountability for their actions?" Because it's hard work and it's easier to let someone else bear the costs.

ydat 1mo ago

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mittermayr 1mo ago

That's a more noble aspect of framing the question, and I guess I could even see why someone may try to not kamikaze themselves out of a financially very juicy system even if it was their own actions causing the trouble. However, they all operate in some form of management mesh, so clearly, one level up or across the line must notice or know who caused the chaos? Maybe it is the nature of how failure is expressed at that level, to know a team of 30 has been let go and is not available as your extended arm to execute anymore. So, where it manifests as a job loss at a level lower, it is merely a limitation of power for them.

inigyou 1mo ago
Maybe blaming someone else for a failure is more likely to backfire on you.
lazide 1mo ago
If everyone at a given level is playing the game, only those without leverage on everyone else are easy targets

MisterTea 1mo ago

> Why don't people take accountability for their actions? This is not my experience. People who are in positions of power, e.g. managers, are the kind of people who are incapable of admitting fault. They can't lose face so the shit is rolled downhill. It's narcissism.

inigyou 1mo ago
Clearly that trait is selected for.
- tygon 1mo ago
  Often times, narcissism comes with a strong will and assertiveness. It is hard to be full of yourself if you cannot also project yourself. People respect that kind of assertiveness. "Clearly, if this guy is so sure of themself, they must be good..." is the mindset many fall into. Of course, this line of thinking usually does not hold up forever and the facade can eventually break down.

exolymph 1mo ago

The question is actually how do people get away with avoiding accountability for their actions?