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Everyone censors for their core jurisdiction/audience. The Enlightened West just calls this guardrails

by rrr_oh_man 2mo ago

euroderf 2mo ago
You make it sound like the DNC.
- rrr_oh_man 2mo ago
  The Democratic National Committee?
ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
"nothing happens in 1989" is censorship. "no I won't tell you how to build a bioweapon for genocide" is guardrails. idk about you but i WANT the second thing, because I like to be alive.
- matheusmoreira 2mo ago
  > "no I won't tell you how to build a bioweapon for genocide" is guardrails. I call that censorship too. I'm curious enough that I want to know about such things. I don't want any limitations on what I'm allowed to understand and know about.
  - ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
    Your freedom ends where my begins. Welcome to study chemistry and learn things from first principles. but if you want to just ask for the practical steps of making a genocidal bioweapon then honestly I don't know you or whether you are honestly "merely curious" and so prefer your freedom ends there?
    - matheusmoreira 2mo ago
      > Welcome to study chemistry and learn things from first principles. As if your censorship was not going to kill that too. Can't even ask Fable about aminoacids without getting blocked. So much for "learning from first principles". > but if you want to just ask for the practical steps of making a genocidal bioweapon Nothing wrong with practical steps. Just because I know how to do something, doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.
      - ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
        > As if your censorship was not going to kill that too. I didn't say "with LLMs". Last time I checked they still teach chemistry at unis and schools. And yeah, guardrails are not perfect. Honestly I don't think good enough guardrails are possible, it's all eventually defeated or becomes silly. And yes that should be one of the reasons the technology as a whole is banned. But until then, guardrails are guardrails and not censorship in a pretty obvious way. If you refuse to see that, be my guest. I personally like to live. > Nothing wrong with practical steps No thanks from me
- rrr_oh_man 2mo ago
  It's much more civilian than bioweapons. You only need to mention Protected Group Of The Week (I'm one of them and I like to research and read about history, so that makes it extra challenging) or anything resembling negative human emotions (guilty on that front as well), and the model screeches to a halt. Just because OAI doesn't want another headline like "Chatbot convinces teen to off himself" I understand this in principle, but I'm not convinced that dulling everyone's knives is better than figuring out how to keep them out of kids' hands
  - ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
    > Just because OAI doesn't want another headline like "Chatbot convinces teen to off himself" And so you consider that censorship and not guardrails? Huh...
    - rrr_oh_man 2mo ago
      That was not the censorship part.
      - ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
        "dulling everyone's knives" isn't either...

Everyone censors for their core jurisdiction/audience. The Enlightened West just calls this guardrails

euroderf 2mo ago

You make it sound like the DNC.

rrr_oh_man 2mo ago
The Democratic National Committee?

ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago

"nothing happens in 1989" is censorship. "no I won't tell you how to build a bioweapon for genocide" is guardrails. idk about you but i WANT the second thing, because I like to be alive.

matheusmoreira 2mo ago
> "no I won't tell you how to build a bioweapon for genocide" is guardrails. I call that censorship too. I'm curious enough that I want to know about such things. I don't want any limitations on what I'm allowed to understand and know about.
- ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
  Your freedom ends where my begins. Welcome to study chemistry and learn things from first principles. but if you want to just ask for the practical steps of making a genocidal bioweapon then honestly I don't know you or whether you are honestly "merely curious" and so prefer your freedom ends there?
  - matheusmoreira 2mo ago
    > Welcome to study chemistry and learn things from first principles. As if your censorship was not going to kill that too. Can't even ask Fable about aminoacids without getting blocked. So much for "learning from first principles". > but if you want to just ask for the practical steps of making a genocidal bioweapon Nothing wrong with practical steps. Just because I know how to do something, doesn't mean I'm actually going to do it.
    - ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
      > As if your censorship was not going to kill that too. I didn't say "with LLMs". Last time I checked they still teach chemistry at unis and schools. And yeah, guardrails are not perfect. Honestly I don't think good enough guardrails are possible, it's all eventually defeated or becomes silly. And yes that should be one of the reasons the technology as a whole is banned. But until then, guardrails are guardrails and not censorship in a pretty obvious way. If you refuse to see that, be my guest. I personally like to live. > Nothing wrong with practical steps No thanks from me
rrr_oh_man 2mo ago
It's much more civilian than bioweapons. You only need to mention Protected Group Of The Week (I'm one of them and I like to research and read about history, so that makes it extra challenging) or anything resembling negative human emotions (guilty on that front as well), and the model screeches to a halt. Just because OAI doesn't want another headline like "Chatbot convinces teen to off himself" I understand this in principle, but I'm not convinced that dulling everyone's knives is better than figuring out how to keep them out of kids' hands
- ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
  > Just because OAI doesn't want another headline like "Chatbot convinces teen to off himself" And so you consider that censorship and not guardrails? Huh...
  - rrr_oh_man 2mo ago
    That was not the censorship part.
    - ShinyLeftPad 2mo ago
      "dulling everyone's knives" isn't either...