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I hope there's more "no, your 'luxury' feature is just unsafe." Being unable to turn on the windshield wipers (not engage for a swipe, turn on) without fully t

I hope there's more "no, your 'luxury' feature is just unsafe." Being unable to turn on the windshield wipers (not engage for a swipe, turn on) without fully taking eyes off the road to interact with the giant touch screen, that's going to get people killed. The #1 thing that convinced me Teslas are absolutely unfit to operate safely for many common actions was driving one at all.

pfannkuchen 1mo ago
To turn on the wipers you tap the button and scroll the wheel to select a speed. No touch screen required.
- qwerpy 1mo ago
  Reading and basic observational skills are required though. Apparently too much to ask.
- matthewdgreen 1mo ago
  Owner of a Model 3 here: I absolutely need to look at the screen to know what speed it's set to, or if I've accidentally turned it to "Off" or "Auto". The scroll wheel does not tell me this. It's very different from traditional wiper controls in older cars, where the slider/wheel has a hard stop at min and max, and you can pick the right setting entirely by feel.
- aaronbrethorst 1mo ago
  whew, that's going to be a relief to the driver that hits an unexpected cloudburst while driving 80mph (130km) down the highway.
  - pfannkuchen 1mo ago
    Yeah I dunno, I own one in the extremely rainy PNW and it’s fine. I was very apprehensive of using the touch screen for basic functions also but it turns out you don’t need to.
  - NoPicklez 1mo ago
    And what would you do in any other car? You'd also maneuver a stalk which is almost no different from pressing a button
frollogaston 1mo ago
The iPad controls are the main reason I never leased a Tesla, and also why I avoid being stuck behind one.
m463 1mo ago
You can install aftermarket stalks. They're actually quite good now, and are available for 3/Y, S/X. (don't know about truck) Some early models used adhesive (SEXY brand?), skip those. In the end, I think tesla is just stupid. - removing dashboard in front of driver (3, y, cybertruck) - non-round steering thing (model s/x yoke, cybertruck squircle) - removing stalks - touch-sensitive buttons on steering wheel - critical controls on the touchscreen, usually behind a swipe or two. for example can't locate defrost on touchscreen without swiping - can't remove non-critical music player overlay - hard to find or touch-sensitive buttons for hazard lights - tiny targets on touchscreen (for a moving car) - so much overloading on center console (for a moving car) I could go on and on. There are plenty of things they get right. The original model s was ok. Not as "super-clean" looking, but you had stalks with buttons for fingertip access to many things 1) turn signals, headlights, wipers 2) self drive functions 3) gear select with present handles when you pressed park button 4) adjust steering wheel position; The original model s interior door handles were good - the lever to open the door had two functions. Pull the lever a little bit and it would electronically trigger the door release solenoid. But the same lever, pull it further and it would mechanically open the door. So the same lever would open the door with power or without power, no need to discover something new in an emergency. the older UIs were easier to use (in a moving car). more old-school looking, but more contrast and bigger targets.
- frollogaston 1mo ago
  Yeah, everything about it seems trying too hard to be cool. My friend let me drive his new Tesla for a bit and I was like nah. Then a month later he was complaining to me how annoying it is to activate blinkers on it.
  - m463 1mo ago
    it's also annoying to accidentally activate a turn signal (or horn before they moved that). Then it is hard to cancel it, because you have to determine which one is pressed, and unpress it. choose the wrong one and you are back to cancelling the other one. It is also just as hard to cancel the turn signal/lane change that FSD is attempting that you want to veto. I have no idea what people behind you are thinking (or acting on while all this struggle is going on)
jerlam 1mo ago
Tesla also cheaped out and didn't use a normal rain sensor for the wipers to enable auto mode, instead using "Tesla Vision". I've heard nothing but bad things about it. Rain sensing was a solved problem and Tesla un-solved it. Covered in this Technology Connections video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ
dllu 1mo ago
The windshield wiper controls are a physical button plus physical scroll wheel on the steering wheel. You don't have to touch the touchscreen.

pfannkuchen 1mo ago

To turn on the wipers you tap the button and scroll the wheel to select a speed. No touch screen required.

qwerpy 1mo ago
Reading and basic observational skills are required though. Apparently too much to ask.
matthewdgreen 1mo ago
Owner of a Model 3 here: I absolutely need to look at the screen to know what speed it's set to, or if I've accidentally turned it to "Off" or "Auto". The scroll wheel does not tell me this. It's very different from traditional wiper controls in older cars, where the slider/wheel has a hard stop at min and max, and you can pick the right setting entirely by feel.
aaronbrethorst 1mo ago
whew, that's going to be a relief to the driver that hits an unexpected cloudburst while driving 80mph (130km) down the highway.
- pfannkuchen 1mo ago
  Yeah I dunno, I own one in the extremely rainy PNW and it’s fine. I was very apprehensive of using the touch screen for basic functions also but it turns out you don’t need to.
- NoPicklez 1mo ago
  And what would you do in any other car? You'd also maneuver a stalk which is almost no different from pressing a button

frollogaston 1mo ago

The iPad controls are the main reason I never leased a Tesla, and also why I avoid being stuck behind one.

m463 1mo ago

You can install aftermarket stalks. They're actually quite good now, and are available for 3/Y, S/X. (don't know about truck) Some early models used adhesive (SEXY brand?), skip those. In the end, I think tesla is just stupid. - removing dashboard in front of driver (3, y, cybertruck) - non-round steering thing (model s/x yoke, cybertruck squircle) - removing stalks - touch-sensitive buttons on steering wheel - critical controls on the touchscreen, usually behind a swipe or two. for example can't locate defrost on touchscreen without swiping - can't remove non-critical music player overlay - hard to find or touch-sensitive buttons for hazard lights - tiny targets on touchscreen (for a moving car) - so much overloading on center console (for a moving car) I could go on and on. There are plenty of things they get right. The original model s was ok. Not as "super-clean" looking, but you had stalks with buttons for fingertip access to many things 1) turn signals, headlights, wipers 2) self drive functions 3) gear select with present handles when you pressed park button 4) adjust steering wheel position; The original model s interior door handles were good - the lever to open the door had two functions. Pull the lever a little bit and it would electronically trigger the door release solenoid. But the same lever, pull it further and it would mechanically open the door. So the same lever would open the door with power or without power, no need to discover something new in an emergency. the older UIs were easier to use (in a moving car). more old-school looking, but more contrast and bigger targets.

frollogaston 1mo ago
Yeah, everything about it seems trying too hard to be cool. My friend let me drive his new Tesla for a bit and I was like nah. Then a month later he was complaining to me how annoying it is to activate blinkers on it.
- m463 1mo ago
  it's also annoying to accidentally activate a turn signal (or horn before they moved that). Then it is hard to cancel it, because you have to determine which one is pressed, and unpress it. choose the wrong one and you are back to cancelling the other one. It is also just as hard to cancel the turn signal/lane change that FSD is attempting that you want to veto. I have no idea what people behind you are thinking (or acting on while all this struggle is going on)

jerlam 1mo ago

Tesla also cheaped out and didn't use a normal rain sensor for the wipers to enable auto mode, instead using "Tesla Vision". I've heard nothing but bad things about it. Rain sensing was a solved problem and Tesla un-solved it. Covered in this Technology Connections video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLm7Q92xMjQ

dllu 1mo ago

The windshield wiper controls are a physical button plus physical scroll wheel on the steering wheel. You don't have to touch the touchscreen.