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> The US government basically told them they can't sell "Fable" and so they aren't.... They either had to lock it up (Mythos), neuter it (Fable), But this isn'

by nl 1mo ago

> The US government basically told them they can't sell "Fable" and so they aren't.... They either had to lock it up (Mythos), neuter it (Fable), But this isn't what happened? It was only a couple of months ago! How can we be getting this completely backwards already! Fable was aready what they were selling to the general public, and that is what the US government stopped them selling (not Mythos!) Anthropic tuned the already existing classifier to handle the use case the government highlighted and then they went back to selling it. They actually loosened the restrictions on ML-programming using it too. I use Fable as much as I can and I've never had a cyber refusal for it.

runako 1mo ago
You're agreeing with me. Mythos was locked down to a few customers. Fable went wide. USG told them to stop selling Fable. They tweaked Fable to appease the USG, but it clearly refuses/downshifts more requests than e.g. Opus 5. (I have run into Fable refusals even doing really normal stuff like fixing bugs reported by static security scanners like Brakeman. Not downshifts, outright refusals.) So the net result is they put "Fable" back on the market, but it was perceived to be a worse overall experience, at much higher cost. (Remember all this happened before most users had really even had a chance to put Fable through its paces.) That's where we are today: Mythos is locked, Fable is neutered. They probably can't fix this until they are ready to release something that's not called Fable, or that they can say has some key architectural differences to Fable. The sword of capricious regulation is always going to be hanging over Fable.
- nl 1mo ago
  > The US government basically told them they can't sell "Fable" and so they aren't. > You're agreeing with me. No I'm not. They are selling it. I used Fable very extensively before the ban (100% usage in every window available) and continue to use it now. I haven't noticed any change in the refusals before vs after. > it was perceived to be a worse overall experience, Sure, people will believe whatever they want to believe. Doesn't make it right though.

by nl 1mo ago

runako 1mo ago

You're agreeing with me. Mythos was locked down to a few customers. Fable went wide. USG told them to stop selling Fable. They tweaked Fable to appease the USG, but it clearly refuses/downshifts more requests than e.g. Opus 5. (I have run into Fable refusals even doing really normal stuff like fixing bugs reported by static security scanners like Brakeman. Not downshifts, outright refusals.) So the net result is they put "Fable" back on the market, but it was perceived to be a worse overall experience, at much higher cost. (Remember all this happened before most users had really even had a chance to put Fable through its paces.) That's where we are today: Mythos is locked, Fable is neutered. They probably can't fix this until they are ready to release something that's not called Fable, or that they can say has some key architectural differences to Fable. The sword of capricious regulation is always going to be hanging over Fable.

nl 1mo ago
> The US government basically told them they can't sell "Fable" and so they aren't. > You're agreeing with me. No I'm not. They are selling it. I used Fable very extensively before the ban (100% usage in every window available) and continue to use it now. I haven't noticed any change in the refusals before vs after. > it was perceived to be a worse overall experience, Sure, people will believe whatever they want to believe. Doesn't make it right though.