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My company still hasn’t been able to deploy wide access to Fable because it’s not available on a ZDR basis. This wasn’t mentioned in the article but I imagine t

My company still hasn’t been able to deploy wide access to Fable because it’s not available on a ZDR basis. This wasn’t mentioned in the article but I imagine this factor is not irrelevant.

Lucasoato 2mo ago
Same for me, they’re not offering it with the same data residency features of Opus, many enterprise companies can’t accept compromises.
kwisatzh 2mo ago
This is the biggest factor. FT (or the analysts it cites) fumbled the ball in this article.
- janalsncm 2mo ago
  > Data retention rules imposed by the Trump administration have also hampered Fable’s adoption, according to Ara Kharazian, chief economist at Ramp. This is in the article.
  - semiquaver 2mo ago
    It’s far from clear to me that this is directly connected to the no-ZDR requirement. I’m heavily involved in this stuff with my company and I’ve never heard that the lack of ZDR fable is a Trump admin thing.
x3n0ph3n3 2mo ago
The same for my organization. It's explicitly forbidden in my organization because it's not available with ZDR.
- arlcode 2mo ago
  I get where it's coming from but I think it is also very funny if someone actually believes their claims (except as a CYA strategy) The AI companies have already shown how little they care about other peoples intellectual property and they won't care about their customers either if it stands between them and the promises they made to their investors.
  - semiquaver 2mo ago
    This might be a reasonable thing for an individual consumer to believe about the value and enforceability of agreements with large companies, but given the context I think you’re off base. ZDRs are backed by contracts negotiated against extremely capable and well-resourced counterparties. Being found to violate them would bankrupt even OpenAI and Anthropic many, many times over. To the extent that you view these companies as your adversaries, it’s worth improving your mental model of their actual incentives and constraints.
usaar333 2mo ago
It was in one paragraph mentioned, without much detail. But yes, I agree it is one of the largest barriers.
rustcleaner 2mo ago
>ZDR Zero Data Retention, for the uninitiated readers in this thread. The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. I would be shocked if NSA wasn't all up in these SOTA model providers' systems. Never subscribe!
- hirvi74 2mo ago
  Ex-head of the NSA was on the board of directors for OpenAI for a while lol (and still might be there?).
- NitpickLawyer 2mo ago
  > The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. It's to train better models. The three letter agencies don't need to spell it out in a ToS, they just access it if they want.
  - j_maffe 2mo ago
    Not if there's a ZDR policy.
jimmydoe 2mo ago
ZDR for fable is coming, very soon.
topbanana 2mo ago
That's the reason at my shop. Real shame, as there's really no limit on token spend

My company still hasn’t been able to deploy wide access to Fable because it’s not available on a ZDR basis. This wasn’t mentioned in the article but I imagine this factor is not irrelevant.

Lucasoato 2mo ago

Same for me, they’re not offering it with the same data residency features of Opus, many enterprise companies can’t accept compromises.

kwisatzh 2mo ago

This is the biggest factor. FT (or the analysts it cites) fumbled the ball in this article.

janalsncm 2mo ago
> Data retention rules imposed by the Trump administration have also hampered Fable’s adoption, according to Ara Kharazian, chief economist at Ramp. This is in the article.
- semiquaver 2mo ago
  It’s far from clear to me that this is directly connected to the no-ZDR requirement. I’m heavily involved in this stuff with my company and I’ve never heard that the lack of ZDR fable is a Trump admin thing.

x3n0ph3n3 2mo ago

The same for my organization. It's explicitly forbidden in my organization because it's not available with ZDR.

arlcode 2mo ago
I get where it's coming from but I think it is also very funny if someone actually believes their claims (except as a CYA strategy) The AI companies have already shown how little they care about other peoples intellectual property and they won't care about their customers either if it stands between them and the promises they made to their investors.
- semiquaver 2mo ago
  This might be a reasonable thing for an individual consumer to believe about the value and enforceability of agreements with large companies, but given the context I think you’re off base. ZDRs are backed by contracts negotiated against extremely capable and well-resourced counterparties. Being found to violate them would bankrupt even OpenAI and Anthropic many, many times over. To the extent that you view these companies as your adversaries, it’s worth improving your mental model of their actual incentives and constraints.

usaar333 2mo ago

It was in one paragraph mentioned, without much detail. But yes, I agree it is one of the largest barriers.

rustcleaner 2mo ago

>ZDR Zero Data Retention, for the uninitiated readers in this thread. The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. I would be shocked if NSA wasn't all up in these SOTA model providers' systems. Never subscribe!

hirvi74 2mo ago
Ex-head of the NSA was on the board of directors for OpenAI for a while lol (and still might be there?).
NitpickLawyer 2mo ago
> The no-ZDR is clearly to permit surveillance. It's to train better models. The three letter agencies don't need to spell it out in a ToS, they just access it if they want.
- j_maffe 2mo ago
  Not if there's a ZDR policy.

jimmydoe 2mo ago

ZDR for fable is coming, very soon.

topbanana 2mo ago

That's the reason at my shop. Real shame, as there's really no limit on token spend