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we should exercise critical thinking then heaps of people on this site expect them to be omnipotent then claim it’s fake when it doesn’t read minds

by vanuatu 1mo ago

joshribakoff 1mo ago
You’re right — people really should think critically, but the issue remains, that many do not.
bigstrat2003 1mo ago
I think it's perfectly fair to evaluate the tools based on how well they live up to the hype that is being pumped out by the sellers of said tools. If they want us to compare their products to a more measured, reasonable take then they can advertise them as that.
- sfn42 1mo ago
  While some people are busy bickering about this, the rest of us are using these awesome new tools to get more work done in less time with higher quality than ever. I don't care what the company claims, I just use the tool the way I want to. I work very closely with the AI. I'll tell it to plan a change, review the plan, then execute. Then I'll test the changes and have it fix whatever I'm not happy with one thing at a time. I'll specify in detail both what to do and loosely describe how to do it or if I'm not sure I'll ask it to plan the change then review the plan and ask for changes if I want them etc. I also review my own PRs before I submit them to colleagues. This way I maintain full control of everything, it just saves me hours of googling, planning and typing code - which I do miss a bit but I can't really justify writing code myself when I can achieve the same thing just by loosely describing my idea instead. It also saves a lot of time debugging, I think I'm generally a pretty good programmer but the AI makes fewer mistakes than me. It'll often catch some logic error I made during planning and suggest a good alternative. A lot of developers seem to give up control entirely and then complain that they're no longer in control. Trying for that 10-100x speedup doing weeks of work in a day. I'm happy doing one week of work in a day. There's a limit to how much I can oversee without compromising quality.
watwut 1mo ago
I think that is 100% valid to judge apps in relation to their marketting. They are selling X, it does not do X. It might do Y, but Y does not excuse so high valuations and investments, so they claim X. It is ok to judge them by !X.

we should exercise critical thinking then heaps of people on this site expect them to be omnipotent then claim it’s fake when it doesn’t read minds

by vanuatu 1mo ago

we should exercise critical thinking then heaps of people on this site expect them to be omnipotent then claim it’s fake when it doesn’t read minds

joshribakoff 1mo ago

You’re right — people really should think critically, but the issue remains, that many do not.

bigstrat2003 1mo ago

I think it's perfectly fair to evaluate the tools based on how well they live up to the hype that is being pumped out by the sellers of said tools. If they want us to compare their products to a more measured, reasonable take then they can advertise them as that.

sfn42 1mo ago
While some people are busy bickering about this, the rest of us are using these awesome new tools to get more work done in less time with higher quality than ever. I don't care what the company claims, I just use the tool the way I want to. I work very closely with the AI. I'll tell it to plan a change, review the plan, then execute. Then I'll test the changes and have it fix whatever I'm not happy with one thing at a time. I'll specify in detail both what to do and loosely describe how to do it or if I'm not sure I'll ask it to plan the change then review the plan and ask for changes if I want them etc. I also review my own PRs before I submit them to colleagues. This way I maintain full control of everything, it just saves me hours of googling, planning and typing code - which I do miss a bit but I can't really justify writing code myself when I can achieve the same thing just by loosely describing my idea instead. It also saves a lot of time debugging, I think I'm generally a pretty good programmer but the AI makes fewer mistakes than me. It'll often catch some logic error I made during planning and suggest a good alternative. A lot of developers seem to give up control entirely and then complain that they're no longer in control. Trying for that 10-100x speedup doing weeks of work in a day. I'm happy doing one week of work in a day. There's a limit to how much I can oversee without compromising quality.

watwut 1mo ago

I think that is 100% valid to judge apps in relation to their marketting. They are selling X, it does not do X. It might do Y, but Y does not excuse so high valuations and investments, so they claim X. It is ok to judge them by !X.