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"A corporation cannot" didn't stop legal birth of those

by eviks 2mo ago

andsoitis 2mo ago
> "A corporation cannot" didn't stop legal birth of those In a corporation, the humans running it can be punished. An AI cannot be punished.
- PunchyHamster 2mo ago
  LLCs were invented precisely to go around that in most cases
  - andsoitis 2mo ago
    Not for the most important things, like murdering people, fraud, etc. Executives are prosecuted for these kinds of things and the mere fact that it can happen shapes their behavior. An AI cannot be punished at all. So they will not behave with that in mind.
    - anigbrowl 2mo ago
      I am sick of this 'just so' logic. I could equally argue that AIs are not driven by greed, sexual appetites, revenge, etc., making them considerably more trustworthy than wealthy sociopaths. It's already noteworthy when a very wealthy or politically powerful person is abruptly disempowered, even more so when they end up losing their personal liberty or life. I put it to you that's it's noteworthy because it is such a rare event, even though there are a lot of very well-reourced sociopaths.
      - andsoitis 2mo ago
        > I could equally argue that AIs are not driven by greed, sexual appetites, revenge, etc., making them considerably more trustworthy than wealthy sociopaths. Imagine the consequences of trusting thousands of entities that each far exceed human intelligence, have agency, can cooperate, but have no feelings.
        newsomix9xl 2mo ago
        You mean similar to how our lives depends of thousands of entities we are forced to trust that have no feelings (namely, bureaucracies)?
        andsoitis 2mo ago
        > You mean similar to how our lives depends of thousands of entities we are forced to trust that have no feelings (namely, bureaucracies)? Bureaucracies are precisely a mechanism by which trust happens between people who have never met each other. For example, when I go to a market and hand over a piece of paper to the women who sells me fish, we are both trusting the system.
  - SoftTalker 2mo ago
    LLCs were invented to provide a layer of separation between business assets and the personal assets of the owner or owners. An LLC is a civil construct, it offers no protection from responsibility for criminal behavior.
- SoftTalker 2mo ago
  The corporation that owns the AI could be punished. This isn't more complicated than any other product liability situation, IMO.
  - andsoitis 2mo ago
    > The corporation that owns the AI could be punished. This isn't more complicated than any other product liability situation, IMO The issue is if the corporation is owned and run by an AI. Since the AI cannot really be punished if the company does some harm, unlike if the corporation was run by humans who can be punished.
aaroninsf 2mo ago
That's an indictment of contemporary capitalism, not a precedent to follow.

"A corporation cannot" didn't stop legal birth of those

by eviks 2mo ago

"A corporation cannot" didn't stop legal birth of those

> "A corporation cannot" didn't stop legal birth of those In a corporation, the humans running it can be punished. An AI cannot be punished.

PunchyHamster 2mo ago
LLCs were invented precisely to go around that in most cases
- andsoitis 2mo ago
  Not for the most important things, like murdering people, fraud, etc. Executives are prosecuted for these kinds of things and the mere fact that it can happen shapes their behavior. An AI cannot be punished at all. So they will not behave with that in mind.
  - anigbrowl 2mo ago
    I am sick of this 'just so' logic. I could equally argue that AIs are not driven by greed, sexual appetites, revenge, etc., making them considerably more trustworthy than wealthy sociopaths. It's already noteworthy when a very wealthy or politically powerful person is abruptly disempowered, even more so when they end up losing their personal liberty or life. I put it to you that's it's noteworthy because it is such a rare event, even though there are a lot of very well-reourced sociopaths.
    - andsoitis 2mo ago
      > I could equally argue that AIs are not driven by greed, sexual appetites, revenge, etc., making them considerably more trustworthy than wealthy sociopaths. Imagine the consequences of trusting thousands of entities that each far exceed human intelligence, have agency, can cooperate, but have no feelings.
      - newsomix9xl 2mo ago
        You mean similar to how our lives depends of thousands of entities we are forced to trust that have no feelings (namely, bureaucracies)?
        andsoitis 2mo ago
        > You mean similar to how our lives depends of thousands of entities we are forced to trust that have no feelings (namely, bureaucracies)? Bureaucracies are precisely a mechanism by which trust happens between people who have never met each other. For example, when I go to a market and hand over a piece of paper to the women who sells me fish, we are both trusting the system.
- SoftTalker 2mo ago
  LLCs were invented to provide a layer of separation between business assets and the personal assets of the owner or owners. An LLC is a civil construct, it offers no protection from responsibility for criminal behavior.
SoftTalker 2mo ago
The corporation that owns the AI could be punished. This isn't more complicated than any other product liability situation, IMO.
- andsoitis 2mo ago
  > The corporation that owns the AI could be punished. This isn't more complicated than any other product liability situation, IMO The issue is if the corporation is owned and run by an AI. Since the AI cannot really be punished if the company does some harm, unlike if the corporation was run by humans who can be punished.

aaroninsf 2mo ago

That's an indictment of contemporary capitalism, not a precedent to follow.