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Any opinions (by anyone really) on how much I can trust Claude vs. Codex (vs. something else) to not leak my coding conversations or use them for training? I h

by qurren 2mo ago

Any opinions (by anyone really) on how much I can trust Claude vs. Codex (vs. something else) to not leak my coding conversations or use them for training? I have the appropriate privacy settings set up but wondering how much I can trust each company with them.

inquirerGeneral 2mo ago
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gorgolo 2mo ago
I’ve been using codex more recently, like others here. But one thing I’ve noticed which I find a bit of a red flag: by default you only archive chats. If you go online, it says there’s a location in settings where can delete your archive. But it’s not that obvious where to find, and when I finally find some link, it was literally broken. It said it can’t find any archived chats, even though I archive them all the time. Bit of a red flag for me. Both Anthropic and OpenAI claim that when you delete a chat, it’s gone after some retention period. They’re just words but if they’re secretly training on your traces and you delete your chats, then they would need to break two terms/conditions: ignoring your “train on my data” preference and ignoring your orders to delete chats. So it is an extra barrier. But OpenAI, as far as I can tell, doesn’t let you delete your chats. Convenient then if they change their mind about training sometime in the future.
shostack 2mo ago
For individual use without specially negotiated Enterprise stuff I can't afford both offer contractual assurances of not using your data for training or ads and measurement and selling your data. But these are not the same level of technical assurance you get from say, a zero data retention provider on OpenRouter. Right now I am finding I have to tolerate substantial friction to use Hermes for personal stuff with a ZDR provider and ChatGPT and Codex for less personal stuff because the products and models are simply so much better.

by qurren 2mo ago

inquirerGeneral 2mo ago

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gorgolo 2mo ago

I’ve been using codex more recently, like others here. But one thing I’ve noticed which I find a bit of a red flag: by default you only archive chats. If you go online, it says there’s a location in settings where can delete your archive. But it’s not that obvious where to find, and when I finally find some link, it was literally broken. It said it can’t find any archived chats, even though I archive them all the time. Bit of a red flag for me. Both Anthropic and OpenAI claim that when you delete a chat, it’s gone after some retention period. They’re just words but if they’re secretly training on your traces and you delete your chats, then they would need to break two terms/conditions: ignoring your “train on my data” preference and ignoring your orders to delete chats. So it is an extra barrier. But OpenAI, as far as I can tell, doesn’t let you delete your chats. Convenient then if they change their mind about training sometime in the future.

shostack 2mo ago

For individual use without specially negotiated Enterprise stuff I can't afford both offer contractual assurances of not using your data for training or ads and measurement and selling your data. But these are not the same level of technical assurance you get from say, a zero data retention provider on OpenRouter. Right now I am finding I have to tolerate substantial friction to use Hermes for personal stuff with a ZDR provider and ChatGPT and Codex for less personal stuff because the products and models are simply so much better.