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As a Canadian, what are you looking for? China is not interested in being your mommy or your daddy. They just want to make a business deal. The United States ho

by Danox 2mo ago

As a Canadian, what are you looking for? China is not interested in being your mommy or your daddy. They just want to make a business deal. The United States however, wants to be mommy and daddy in short tell you what to do when they think it’s appropriate and I’m saying this as an American, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand need to get out of that mentality in relationship to the United States. You don’t want the United States to be your mommy or your daddy do what is in your best interest moving forward, and I think the rest of the world is catching on do what is in your best interest oh and I don’t mean start or participate in a war. The clown in the White House time will pass however the damage has been done, and it will take decades to recover from it.

remarkEon 2mo ago
>China is not interested in being your mommy or your daddy. They just want to make a business deal. Hopelessly naive, and honestly if this is the mean opinion in Canada I have concerns about their continued membership in FVEY.
avazhi 2mo ago
Why don’t you ask the countries around the South China Sea how that’s going for them.
- kakacik 2mo ago
  I dont see them bombed into oblivion, hundreds of thousands to millions civilians dead, infrastructure back to medieval times. If US would wage such 'wars' in past 60 years as China is doing now, world would be in massively better shape and tens of millions would be alive. This is how you expand your hegemony economically in 21st century. Man, I get the argument you are trying to make, but it simply doesnt work, not in 2026, not when we know how much evil shit US has done to many other countries and its people. There is no reason to ignore all those atrocities unless you want to cherrypick your facts and reach the desired conclusion.
  - avazhi 2mo ago
    I wasn’t addressing America at all, I was responding to a quote suggesting that china is some benign benevolent power. What’s the logical fallacy where you change the subject and point out how some other unrelated entity does the same thing? What about ism?
    - maxglute 2mo ago
      >some benign benevolent power They're not bombing countries literally claiming their sovereign territory - that's stupid benevolent relative to power asymmetry. PRC inherited all territorial disputes and resolved ~12/14 land border disputes, most with more concessions. In SCS, which is multi party, they're the only ones who made any concession (11 dash to 9 dash), and offered resource sharing in lieu intractable resolution. Meaning PRC not only did not create any border disputes, but proactively resolved most peacefully and tries to resolve current peacefully. There's a reason most remaining disputes are from democracies where ceding or even splitting is political suicide. And frankly party in territorial disputes who thinks they should get 100 vs PRC should get 0 (basically what losers in wars gets) is retarded and in the wrong... and frankly that is the level of delulu PRC is peacefully dealing with. That makes PRC most benevolent rising power in recorded history. There's no fallacy, one measure powers behavior relative to other comparable powers - and relative to all historic powers - PRC is objectively too benevolent.
      - avazhi 2mo ago
        Look at your profile, brother. I’m flattered that a PRC propagandist saw fit to reply to my comments. You might want to vary up your comments a bit more in the future though. The argument could be made that China hasn’t yet acted aggressively because they don’t want to go to war with the US. No doubt the Chinese are neither stupid nor impatient. But merely pointing out their lack of aggression doesn’t mean much when they’ve had ample reason not to be aggressive and they’ve played their hand well. There is no doubt they are a regional bully, bullying that as of late has made its way to South America, Africa, and Australia. Soft power bullying is rational when you aren’t the global hyper power. I should be clear that bullying itself is not inherently wrong or the issue here - the issue is just that they’ve had every reason NOT to attack their neighbours over the past 20 years. As the global order changes those incentives or barriers may dissolve. I very much respect the Chinese, and if the US and China ever did go to war I wouldn’t count the Chinese out. At this point they’d probably be favourites, actually.
CrimsonRain 2mo ago
China doesn't want to be your daddy because you have a daddy next to you. That's the "free" protection you got, saved trillions by not spending much on military, propped up your economy by leveraging US free market while locking down yours at strategical places. Now a clown wants to rectify that, you run to China? China will literally own you in 50 years.
YZF 2mo ago
I would like to see open borders, free trade, freedom of movement, between the US and Canada. Something like the EU. Mexico would be a stretch goal as they need to fix some things. China absolutely wants to influence Canada. They put in effort to influence Chinese-Canadians. They want our intellectual property (whatever they haven't "acquired" already). They want our manufacturing (whatever is left of it). They interfere with our elections. And sure, they want to sell us stuff as well. What's our best interest? Democracy, freedom, safety, economical prosperity, "healthy" society, etc. Australia and New Zealand are far from here so I can't comment. It was never my impression that the US wields a ton of influence there anyways. Canada and the US are neighbors. Canada has had close relationships with the US for a long time. We fought together in WW-II. But I wouldn't characterize these relationships as "mommy or daddy". We work together and sometimes we don't. The US is the "stronger" partner in this relationship for sure but we have held and still hold our own. Western liberal democracies need to stick together because what's the alternative? Would Ukraine have held on without the support of the USA? And yes the US could have done better and yes the current admin has done less. Are Canada, New Zealand and Australia going to defend Taiwan? Or South Korea? We've had unprecedented prosperity since WW-II. In the west but not only in the west. The world seemed to be heading in the right direction, and now it's maybe not so much, but breaking the "west" into this multi-polar beast is not a step in the right direction as the world stands today. We have things to fix, here and in the world, but we need to also work together to get there. Anyways. This is what I am looking for.
- theflyinghorse 2mo ago
  I love the line that Chin wants to influence Canada on the same day as US puts demands for having controls over Canadian trade deals.
  - YZF 2mo ago
    Well, you should know that members of the EU are not free to make their own trade deals either. I am looking for the same model as the EU where we have a common market. I don't want the US to tell me what to do but Canada making other trade deals does impact the US, e.g. if Canada were to import cheap cars from China without tariffs that would impact how many cars the US exports to Canada. Why is this not open to discussion? And sure, we disagreed and the trade deal was not signed, and we'll get back to it.

by Danox 2mo ago

remarkEon 2mo ago

>China is not interested in being your mommy or your daddy. They just want to make a business deal. Hopelessly naive, and honestly if this is the mean opinion in Canada I have concerns about their continued membership in FVEY.

avazhi 2mo ago

Why don’t you ask the countries around the South China Sea how that’s going for them.

kakacik 2mo ago
I dont see them bombed into oblivion, hundreds of thousands to millions civilians dead, infrastructure back to medieval times. If US would wage such 'wars' in past 60 years as China is doing now, world would be in massively better shape and tens of millions would be alive. This is how you expand your hegemony economically in 21st century. Man, I get the argument you are trying to make, but it simply doesnt work, not in 2026, not when we know how much evil shit US has done to many other countries and its people. There is no reason to ignore all those atrocities unless you want to cherrypick your facts and reach the desired conclusion.
- avazhi 2mo ago
  I wasn’t addressing America at all, I was responding to a quote suggesting that china is some benign benevolent power. What’s the logical fallacy where you change the subject and point out how some other unrelated entity does the same thing? What about ism?
  - maxglute 2mo ago
    >some benign benevolent power They're not bombing countries literally claiming their sovereign territory - that's stupid benevolent relative to power asymmetry. PRC inherited all territorial disputes and resolved ~12/14 land border disputes, most with more concessions. In SCS, which is multi party, they're the only ones who made any concession (11 dash to 9 dash), and offered resource sharing in lieu intractable resolution. Meaning PRC not only did not create any border disputes, but proactively resolved most peacefully and tries to resolve current peacefully. There's a reason most remaining disputes are from democracies where ceding or even splitting is political suicide. And frankly party in territorial disputes who thinks they should get 100 vs PRC should get 0 (basically what losers in wars gets) is retarded and in the wrong... and frankly that is the level of delulu PRC is peacefully dealing with. That makes PRC most benevolent rising power in recorded history. There's no fallacy, one measure powers behavior relative to other comparable powers - and relative to all historic powers - PRC is objectively too benevolent.
    - avazhi 2mo ago
      Look at your profile, brother. I’m flattered that a PRC propagandist saw fit to reply to my comments. You might want to vary up your comments a bit more in the future though. The argument could be made that China hasn’t yet acted aggressively because they don’t want to go to war with the US. No doubt the Chinese are neither stupid nor impatient. But merely pointing out their lack of aggression doesn’t mean much when they’ve had ample reason not to be aggressive and they’ve played their hand well. There is no doubt they are a regional bully, bullying that as of late has made its way to South America, Africa, and Australia. Soft power bullying is rational when you aren’t the global hyper power. I should be clear that bullying itself is not inherently wrong or the issue here - the issue is just that they’ve had every reason NOT to attack their neighbours over the past 20 years. As the global order changes those incentives or barriers may dissolve. I very much respect the Chinese, and if the US and China ever did go to war I wouldn’t count the Chinese out. At this point they’d probably be favourites, actually.

CrimsonRain 2mo ago

China doesn't want to be your daddy because you have a daddy next to you. That's the "free" protection you got, saved trillions by not spending much on military, propped up your economy by leveraging US free market while locking down yours at strategical places. Now a clown wants to rectify that, you run to China? China will literally own you in 50 years.

YZF 2mo ago

I would like to see open borders, free trade, freedom of movement, between the US and Canada. Something like the EU. Mexico would be a stretch goal as they need to fix some things. China absolutely wants to influence Canada. They put in effort to influence Chinese-Canadians. They want our intellectual property (whatever they haven't "acquired" already). They want our manufacturing (whatever is left of it). They interfere with our elections. And sure, they want to sell us stuff as well. What's our best interest? Democracy, freedom, safety, economical prosperity, "healthy" society, etc. Australia and New Zealand are far from here so I can't comment. It was never my impression that the US wields a ton of influence there anyways. Canada and the US are neighbors. Canada has had close relationships with the US for a long time. We fought together in WW-II. But I wouldn't characterize these relationships as "mommy or daddy". We work together and sometimes we don't. The US is the "stronger" partner in this relationship for sure but we have held and still hold our own. Western liberal democracies need to stick together because what's the alternative? Would Ukraine have held on without the support of the USA? And yes the US could have done better and yes the current admin has done less. Are Canada, New Zealand and Australia going to defend Taiwan? Or South Korea? We've had unprecedented prosperity since WW-II. In the west but not only in the west. The world seemed to be heading in the right direction, and now it's maybe not so much, but breaking the "west" into this multi-polar beast is not a step in the right direction as the world stands today. We have things to fix, here and in the world, but we need to also work together to get there. Anyways. This is what I am looking for.

theflyinghorse 2mo ago
I love the line that Chin wants to influence Canada on the same day as US puts demands for having controls over Canadian trade deals.
- YZF 2mo ago
  Well, you should know that members of the EU are not free to make their own trade deals either. I am looking for the same model as the EU where we have a common market. I don't want the US to tell me what to do but Canada making other trade deals does impact the US, e.g. if Canada were to import cheap cars from China without tariffs that would impact how many cars the US exports to Canada. Why is this not open to discussion? And sure, we disagreed and the trade deal was not signed, and we'll get back to it.