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"Democratic Socialism" is VERY different from "Social Democracy" In socialism with supposed democracy, where the state owns the means of production and suppose
by toss1 2mo ago
"Democratic Socialism" is VERY different from "Social Democracy"
In socialism with supposed democracy, where the state owns the means of production and supposedly the workers supposedly have a say about everything, they actually end up with a say about nothing (at least not without greasing the right palms in the inevitably corrupt system that arises).
In Social Democracy, capitalism is the underlying system, where corporations and workers can own means of production, but it operates under sufficient regulation that the excesses and systemic failures of captialism (e.g., failure to prevent Tragedies Of The Commons, tendency towards monopoly and excess concentration of power, consistent tendency to abuse and impoverish workers, etc.), you end up with successful systems like Northern Europe.
The two are very different, and we need to hold the DSA people to the latter and not let them sneak in the former.
- mittensc 2mo agoYou are wrong. The term you are looking for is communism, not socialism. Nordic countries are practicing Democratic Socialism. DSA is not communist. Why are you spreading this crap when it takes 2 neurons and a few searches to find out you are wrong?
- vladgur 2mo agoYou are mistaking Democratic Socialism (of DSA fame) for Social Democracy practiced by Nordic countries. Different beasts as I explained in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49404166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49404166
- mittensc 2mo agoSocial Democracy and Democratic Socialism are the same thing
- vladgur 2mo agoReally? So tell me how Social Democrat parties of Denmark or Sweden views on capitalism same thing as DSA views on it stated in DSA sites I linked elsewhere? Do these social democrats also want to replace capitalism?
- mittensc 2mo agonobody wants to replace capitalism, you're being absurd
- vladgur 2mo agoI’m observing a pattern - you don’t like to answer questions, provide evidence or context. Youre statements peak at a single sentence with minimal signal. You’re not interested in conversations or debates
- mittensc 2mo agoYou make outrageously wrong claims with no intention of debate, I'm returning your profound deference in kind. Skimming through your comments, your only goal is to demonize DSA because they go against your views with respect to Israel. It doesn't matter to you if what you're saying is true or not, you are not looking for a debate.
- vladgur 2mo agoI reference direct statements by DSA made on their own websites that they aim to * replace capitalism [0] * own means of production [0] I state the fact that Scandinavian/Nordic countries are Social Democracies (embracing capitalism) and Not Democratic Socialist countries. You state that Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism is the same. I ask you "tell me how Social Democrat parties of Denmark or Sweden views on capitalism same thing as DSA view" [1] And your response is "nobody wants to replace capitalism, you're being absurd reply" inspite of official DSA statements that i linked to in [0] My 2 points stand: * DSA is pretty clear about its desires to replace capitalism [0] and own means of production [0] * Nordic countries are Social Democracies. THey embrace capitalism, not aim to replace it (as its stated on DSA's own site). Your statement is factually wrong, unless you can find it in your heart to prove me wrong. I dont know why you felt that bringing Israel discussion about clear socialist goals of DSA will help your argument whatever that is, but try to keep focus about systematic issues with DSA, not geo-political. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49404545 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49404545 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49405182 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49405182