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Tariffs have been hell for marina renovation work I'm associated with. Things paid for well in advance have exploded way past their budgets thanks to all the ra

Tariffs have been hell for marina renovation work I'm associated with. Things paid for well in advance have exploded way past their budgets thanks to all the raw material costing so much more. Thanks to Trump. Even the MAGA folks I have to deal with are bitter about it. They still voted for Trump but they can't deny the cause and effect. I think they'd still vote for Trump though. I don't understand how they manage to deal with the cognitive dissonance.

realo 1mo ago
Some kind of "derangement syndrome "? It's funny... laugh.
- solid_fuel 1mo ago
  Turns out, the real “TDS” was in the morons who thought a treasonous conman would fix the country this whole time. Almost like his critics were fucking right.
  - SadErn 1mo ago
    Turns out all the overly political people are annoying. I can't imagine having a conversation with someone like this for more than five minutes.
    - esseph 1mo ago
      Like the people running the country?
    - solid_fuel 1mo ago
      > Turns out all the overly political people are annoying. Feel free to come back when you have something to add. > I can't imagine having a conversation with someone like this for more than five minutes. Judging from this and all your other dead comments, you don't seem inclined to have a conversation at all.
      - SadErn 1mo ago
        [dead]
Tanoc 1mo ago
Spite for others can overpower any self interest. If the person has been shaped by past experiences to rely on spiteful actions as a coping mechanism they will struggle to do anything else. The reward centers in their brain respond more to the disadvantage their actions have caused the other party rather than any advantage they create for themselves. Rebecca Kazinka's actually been doing studies on this for a few years now if you want some reading.
- Terr_ 1mo ago
  I'm certainly not alone in trying to make sense of it all without completely destroying my faith in averaged-out humanity. A hypothesis: The "spite" is secondary to their insecurity and fear of not belonging to a "safe" group, in a world they assume has vicious and unavoidable hierarchies or cruelty. Having the out-group hurt (or even just baffled) occurs in service of that. Professing and supporting stupid beliefs is "loyalty", an expensive (and therefore prominent) signal of membership. Like tattooing Dear Leader's name on one's forehead. It's less an opinion one holds and more a song they sing to fit in with the flock. I find that focus on insecurity and loneliness and fear—versus the reward of belonging—a bit more comprehensible than spite as its own reward.
  - specialist 1mo ago
    Preach. AKA shibboleths Further, the rhetoric creates a permission structure which allows (enables?) people to be their worst selves.
baby_souffle 1mo ago
> They still voted for Trump but they can't deny the cause and effect. I'm sure fox news will give them some Olympic tier training in mental gymnastics and they'll be blaming - with certainty and conviction - brown people, democrats, trans people and/or women in no time. > I don't understand how they manage to deal with the cognitive dissonance. A family friend recently sent me this and it's been helpful to wrap my head around some of the naked hypocrisy: ``` The reason they aren’t more bothered by Q constantly getting things wrong, why they aren’t more bothered by the extreme inconsistencies and outright contradictions, by the claims that are just materially wrong, is because it gives them power over others who are bound by something as weak and flimsy as reality. They claim to be against corruption while hanging their hopes on an openly corrupt man, and that naked hypocrisy is the point. They will effortlessly carve out an exception because it makes them exceptional. They engage in wild hypocrisy as an act of domination, adhering to something demonstrably untrue out of spite, because they believe that power belongs to those with the greatest will to take it, and what greater sign of will than the ability to override truth? Their will is a hammer that they are useing to beat reality itself into a shape of their choosing, a simple world where reality is exactly what it looks like through their eyes, devoid of complexity, devoid of change, where they are right and their enemies are silent. They are trying to build a Flat Earth. ```
- shoopadoop 1mo ago
  Well said. It's a psychological defense mechanism to cope with the anxiety of their existence. It makes no sense because it comes from the amygdala.
  - specialist 1mo ago
    Which in turn largely forms identity.
- deeg 1mo ago
  I think it's simpler. He hates the same people they hate and he's willing to ignore the constitution to bring pain to those people. As long as that's true they'll put up with the corruption.
- 1mo ago
specialist 1mo ago
Probably the same reason as everyone else (voting for Trump). Why Farmers Voted for Trump https://youtube.com/watch?v=badGHJLDpP8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=badGHJLDpP8 Followup https://youtube.com/watch?v=rZQxCvbLG6U https://youtube.com/watch?v=rZQxCvbLG6U

realo 1mo ago

Some kind of "derangement syndrome "? It's funny... laugh.

solid_fuel 1mo ago
Turns out, the real “TDS” was in the morons who thought a treasonous conman would fix the country this whole time. Almost like his critics were fucking right.
- SadErn 1mo ago
  Turns out all the overly political people are annoying. I can't imagine having a conversation with someone like this for more than five minutes.
  - esseph 1mo ago
    Like the people running the country?
  - solid_fuel 1mo ago
    > Turns out all the overly political people are annoying. Feel free to come back when you have something to add. > I can't imagine having a conversation with someone like this for more than five minutes. Judging from this and all your other dead comments, you don't seem inclined to have a conversation at all.
    - SadErn 1mo ago
      [dead]

Tanoc 1mo ago

Spite for others can overpower any self interest. If the person has been shaped by past experiences to rely on spiteful actions as a coping mechanism they will struggle to do anything else. The reward centers in their brain respond more to the disadvantage their actions have caused the other party rather than any advantage they create for themselves. Rebecca Kazinka's actually been doing studies on this for a few years now if you want some reading.

Terr_ 1mo ago
I'm certainly not alone in trying to make sense of it all without completely destroying my faith in averaged-out humanity. A hypothesis: The "spite" is secondary to their insecurity and fear of not belonging to a "safe" group, in a world they assume has vicious and unavoidable hierarchies or cruelty. Having the out-group hurt (or even just baffled) occurs in service of that. Professing and supporting stupid beliefs is "loyalty", an expensive (and therefore prominent) signal of membership. Like tattooing Dear Leader's name on one's forehead. It's less an opinion one holds and more a song they sing to fit in with the flock. I find that focus on insecurity and loneliness and fear—versus the reward of belonging—a bit more comprehensible than spite as its own reward.
- specialist 1mo ago
  Preach. AKA shibboleths Further, the rhetoric creates a permission structure which allows (enables?) people to be their worst selves.

baby_souffle 1mo ago

> They still voted for Trump but they can't deny the cause and effect. I'm sure fox news will give them some Olympic tier training in mental gymnastics and they'll be blaming - with certainty and conviction - brown people, democrats, trans people and/or women in no time. > I don't understand how they manage to deal with the cognitive dissonance. A family friend recently sent me this and it's been helpful to wrap my head around some of the naked hypocrisy: ``` The reason they aren’t more bothered by Q constantly getting things wrong, why they aren’t more bothered by the extreme inconsistencies and outright contradictions, by the claims that are just materially wrong, is because it gives them power over others who are bound by something as weak and flimsy as reality. They claim to be against corruption while hanging their hopes on an openly corrupt man, and that naked hypocrisy is the point. They will effortlessly carve out an exception because it makes them exceptional. They engage in wild hypocrisy as an act of domination, adhering to something demonstrably untrue out of spite, because they believe that power belongs to those with the greatest will to take it, and what greater sign of will than the ability to override truth? Their will is a hammer that they are useing to beat reality itself into a shape of their choosing, a simple world where reality is exactly what it looks like through their eyes, devoid of complexity, devoid of change, where they are right and their enemies are silent. They are trying to build a Flat Earth. ```

shoopadoop 1mo ago
Well said. It's a psychological defense mechanism to cope with the anxiety of their existence. It makes no sense because it comes from the amygdala.
- specialist 1mo ago
  Which in turn largely forms identity.
deeg 1mo ago
I think it's simpler. He hates the same people they hate and he's willing to ignore the constitution to bring pain to those people. As long as that's true they'll put up with the corruption.
1mo ago

specialist 1mo ago

Probably the same reason as everyone else (voting for Trump). Why Farmers Voted for Trump https://youtube.com/watch?v=badGHJLDpP8 https://youtube.com/watch?v=badGHJLDpP8 Followup https://youtube.com/watch?v=rZQxCvbLG6U https://youtube.com/watch?v=rZQxCvbLG6U