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> It’s not super current and not all apps work That's an enormous concession, relative to Windows or Linux.

by bigyabai 2mo ago

select1 2mo ago
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- bel8 2mo ago
  That's another goalpost. That's because DRM doesn't go well with Open source.
- bigyabai 2mo ago
  Correct, you have just successfully identified the reason why Windows exists. Well done!
- fragmede 2mo ago
  Netflix works, just not 4k. Blender and Davinci Resolve say there's commercial software, just not actual Photoshop.
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- deathanatos 2mo ago
  I play a number of commercial games on Linux. The best behaved ones are the native ones (Factorio, Stardew, Celeste), though the Proton/Wine-based ones (Noita, Enter the Gungeon) usually do alright as well. Netflix's problem is Netflix's problem. There is no technical reason why 1080p (and probably 4k) can't work on Linux, today. That's just plain ole head-up-DRM-ass, and Linux can't fix stupid.
  - select1 2mo ago
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mschuster91 2mo ago
> That's an enormous concession, relative to Windows or Linux. Windows yes, but Linux... no, at least if it's open source. Closed source apps that compile fully static, these tend to be stable and Just Run in my experience... but open source apps? Good luck trying to bring these to even compile 10 years afterwards without going through an insane dance with Docker...
- doodlesdev 2mo ago
  While that's absolutely correct, you're arguing with a strawman. Take a look at the original quote: > I can still use my 12 year old MacBook Air. It’s not super current and not all apps work, but it’s actually still a decent Apple experience. The point is I can run the latest Linux distributions and software on a 12 year old computer with no issues whatsoever. You might be able to do that in Windows, if you bypass TPM and CPU requirements or if you stay with Windows 10 extended updates. You won't be able to in macOS without OpenCore Legacy Patcher and a lot of faith in your God of choice.
- cavem0nkey 2mo ago
  Couldn’t agree with this more. Stuff I wrote 25 years ago for NT4 still actually works on windows 10 without a recompile. The Linux situation reminds me of unix back in the 90s even across distributions.
- serf 2mo ago
  >Closed source apps that compile fully static, these tend to be stable and Just Run in my experience... but open source apps? Good luck trying to bring these to even compile 10 years afterwards without going through an insane dance with Docker... who cares? when a closed source app fails the door is shut for good on self-remediation, unless you want to reverse engineer/break the law. when an open source app fails to compile you can choose to put the time in to get the thing working. it's not a shut door, it's just a long path.
  - mschuster91 2mo ago
    > who cares? The problem is that most software people use for work is going to be closed source because the vendor wants to make money on these juicy business contracts. Linux makes a point of being very difficult to be used with closed source stuff, in kernel and userland alike (getting static compilation to work is an utter PITA), and that is a reason why commercial software written for Linux is rare, and that in turn is the dominant reason why Linux adoption on the workstation has been very slow for a very long time - until a lot of business applications shifted to the browser, making the client OS platform all but irrelevant.

> It’s not super current and not all apps work That's an enormous concession, relative to Windows or Linux.

select1 2mo ago

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bel8 2mo ago
That's another goalpost. That's because DRM doesn't go well with Open source.
bigyabai 2mo ago
Correct, you have just successfully identified the reason why Windows exists. Well done!
fragmede 2mo ago
Netflix works, just not 4k. Blender and Davinci Resolve say there's commercial software, just not actual Photoshop.
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deathanatos 2mo ago
I play a number of commercial games on Linux. The best behaved ones are the native ones (Factorio, Stardew, Celeste), though the Proton/Wine-based ones (Noita, Enter the Gungeon) usually do alright as well. Netflix's problem is Netflix's problem. There is no technical reason why 1080p (and probably 4k) can't work on Linux, today. That's just plain ole head-up-DRM-ass, and Linux can't fix stupid.
- select1 2mo ago
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mschuster91 2mo ago

> That's an enormous concession, relative to Windows or Linux. Windows yes, but Linux... no, at least if it's open source. Closed source apps that compile fully static, these tend to be stable and Just Run in my experience... but open source apps? Good luck trying to bring these to even compile 10 years afterwards without going through an insane dance with Docker...

doodlesdev 2mo ago
While that's absolutely correct, you're arguing with a strawman. Take a look at the original quote: > I can still use my 12 year old MacBook Air. It’s not super current and not all apps work, but it’s actually still a decent Apple experience. The point is I can run the latest Linux distributions and software on a 12 year old computer with no issues whatsoever. You might be able to do that in Windows, if you bypass TPM and CPU requirements or if you stay with Windows 10 extended updates. You won't be able to in macOS without OpenCore Legacy Patcher and a lot of faith in your God of choice.
cavem0nkey 2mo ago
Couldn’t agree with this more. Stuff I wrote 25 years ago for NT4 still actually works on windows 10 without a recompile. The Linux situation reminds me of unix back in the 90s even across distributions.
serf 2mo ago
>Closed source apps that compile fully static, these tend to be stable and Just Run in my experience... but open source apps? Good luck trying to bring these to even compile 10 years afterwards without going through an insane dance with Docker... who cares? when a closed source app fails the door is shut for good on self-remediation, unless you want to reverse engineer/break the law. when an open source app fails to compile you can choose to put the time in to get the thing working. it's not a shut door, it's just a long path.
- mschuster91 2mo ago
  > who cares? The problem is that most software people use for work is going to be closed source because the vendor wants to make money on these juicy business contracts. Linux makes a point of being very difficult to be used with closed source stuff, in kernel and userland alike (getting static compilation to work is an utter PITA), and that is a reason why commercial software written for Linux is rare, and that in turn is the dominant reason why Linux adoption on the workstation has been very slow for a very long time - until a lot of business applications shifted to the browser, making the client OS platform all but irrelevant.