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The craziest thing is, that in spite of the obvious, balatant corruption and supreme incompetence of the US govt, Trump still has around 35% approval rating. T

by khriss 1mo ago

The craziest thing is, that in spite of the obvious, balatant corruption and supreme incompetence of the US govt, Trump still has around 35% approval rating. That means the hardcore MAGA base is a third of the US population. I genuinely don't know how to reconcile that with the long term future of the United States.

Waterluvian 1mo ago
Americans love to single out Trump, but he’s just a symptom of an epidemic of civic unfitness that is hollowing out the country. It underscores why the only correct move for the world is de-Americanization. Make them economically and militarily unnecessary and they might even be forced to once again behave correctly, even if out of necessity.
barbazoo 1mo ago
That plus the 20% or so that don't care enough to vote.
- Ylpertnodi 1mo ago
  Maybe the 20% don't want a fucking thing to do with the shitshow.
  - jjtwixman 1mo ago
    If you don't care enough about Trump to vote against him then you're at best a gigantic moron.
    - taskforcegemini 1mo ago
      people didn't like the candidates or politics the democrats pushed.
beej71 1mo ago
As a constitutionalist American, I really wish I had an answer for you. The best I have is that two-thirds of the country thinks he's off-base. But I can only agree that's an alarming figure. It seems like a lot of the governmental structure of this country is predicated on the idea that the People will not elect someone who puts their own interests over those of the nation. And when we do, the whole thing starts to unravel.
andrew_eu 1mo ago
In Pale Blue Dot, Carl Sagan referenced some survey from the 80s in which one of the findings was that ~20% of Americans agreed to the statement "the sun is alive." In trying to find that survey for this comment I instead found this one from Time in the 2000s [0], in which 26% of Americans (N=2200) responded that the sun revolves around the Earth. America is a big and diverse place, full of people that have little attachment to reality. 0: https://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/ https://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-ear...
metabagel 1mo ago
It's the "crazification factor", which is the idea that 27% of the American population will always vote for the stupidest option. So, that 27% is Trump's true floor. He's pretty close to it. https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efxV1-2rQ2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efxV1-2rQ2o
HDThoreaun 1mo ago
Basket of deplorables
dennis_jeeves2 1mo ago
>The craziest thing is, that in spite of the obvious, balatant corruption and supreme incompetence of the US govt, Trump still has around 35% approval rating. Not to diminish you statement, but you are right. Something similar can be said about Canada. In your sentence replace: US with Canada Trump with Carney/Trudeau/Others 35% with 95% and the situation can be summarized as significantly worse in Canada.

by khriss 1mo ago

Waterluvian 1mo ago

Americans love to single out Trump, but he’s just a symptom of an epidemic of civic unfitness that is hollowing out the country. It underscores why the only correct move for the world is de-Americanization. Make them economically and militarily unnecessary and they might even be forced to once again behave correctly, even if out of necessity.

barbazoo 1mo ago

That plus the 20% or so that don't care enough to vote.

Ylpertnodi 1mo ago
Maybe the 20% don't want a fucking thing to do with the shitshow.
- jjtwixman 1mo ago
  If you don't care enough about Trump to vote against him then you're at best a gigantic moron.
  - taskforcegemini 1mo ago
    people didn't like the candidates or politics the democrats pushed.

beej71 1mo ago

As a constitutionalist American, I really wish I had an answer for you. The best I have is that two-thirds of the country thinks he's off-base. But I can only agree that's an alarming figure. It seems like a lot of the governmental structure of this country is predicated on the idea that the People will not elect someone who puts their own interests over those of the nation. And when we do, the whole thing starts to unravel.

andrew_eu 1mo ago

In Pale Blue Dot, Carl Sagan referenced some survey from the 80s in which one of the findings was that ~20% of Americans agreed to the statement "the sun is alive." In trying to find that survey for this comment I instead found this one from Time in the 2000s [0], in which 26% of Americans (N=2200) responded that the sun revolves around the Earth. America is a big and diverse place, full of people that have little attachment to reality. 0: https://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/ https://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-ear...

metabagel 1mo ago

It's the "crazification factor", which is the idea that 27% of the American population will always vote for the stupidest option. So, that 27% is Trump's true floor. He's pretty close to it. https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efxV1-2rQ2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efxV1-2rQ2o

HDThoreaun 1mo ago

Basket of deplorables

dennis_jeeves2 1mo ago

>The craziest thing is, that in spite of the obvious, balatant corruption and supreme incompetence of the US govt, Trump still has around 35% approval rating. Not to diminish you statement, but you are right. Something similar can be said about Canada. In your sentence replace: US with Canada Trump with Carney/Trudeau/Others 35% with 95% and the situation can be summarized as significantly worse in Canada.