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What is going to happen is this lack of deal will accelerate the (inevitable) decline of the Canadian car industry, which will reduce objections to the Chinese

What is going to happen is this lack of deal will accelerate the (inevitable) decline of the Canadian car industry, which will reduce objections to the Chinese imports leading to those quotas changing in an ever accelerating feedback loop. From the US strategic perspective this is moving out of the frying pan and into the fire.

THX1137 2mo ago
It's so obvious that you'd think its intentional.
AlexandrB 2mo ago
Canada having closer trade ties with China is also a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire" for Canada.
- fooster 2mo ago
  I didn’t see china calling to annex Canada. The bad relations between china and Canada were also principally caused by the US insisting that we detain Meng Wanzhou. We can see what thanks we got for that.
- gmerc 2mo ago
  Why? China taking the goods we sell to the US seems like a good deal for us. They won’t copy our dairy or oil and if they want to assemble their EVs here and give us free AI, it’s a clear win win.
WarmWash 2mo ago
I think people forget that China is an authoritarian ethno state with a single leader for life. But hey, they have cheap shit, so what better wagon to hitch your country to?
- timbit42 2mo ago
  In my mind, the goal isn't to replace the US with China, but to lean into many countries, China being necessary due to being the only place to get many things. In the end, the goal isn't trade with China with as high a percentage as our trade is with the US but to use China to help us move away from the US which is currently more hostile than China, at least unless/until China becomes more hostile, but never allow any country to have more than perhaps 20% of our trade. Ultimately I would like to see Canada stay away from China as much as possible due to its lack of human rights, freedoms, democracy, etc. just as with all other countries with these issues, but we can't do it in only a few years.
jbm 2mo ago
I don't understand this and would like a clarification. There are zero Canadian automobile assemblers; they are Canadian subsidiaries of American companies, with some parts manufacturers being here. Assuming American companies (and companies from subordinates like Japan) leave, what would be the problem in having a similar relationship with China? Is it because their manufacturing is more integrated?
- bardak 2mo ago
  The American, and other auto makers, only manufacturers in Canada because the Canadian and American auto markets have been integrated for over 80 years. Removing Canada's access to the American market basically makes Canadian auto manufacturing uncompetitive since Canada isn't a big enough market to sustain a domestic auto market.
- __turbobrew__ 2mo ago
  > There are zero Canadian automobile assemblers; they are Canadian subsidiaries of American Toyota has massive assembly plants in Canada which net export vehicles to the USA. My rav4 hybrid was built in Woodstock Ontario.

THX1137 2mo ago

It's so obvious that you'd think its intentional.

AlexandrB 2mo ago

Canada having closer trade ties with China is also a case of "out of the frying pan and into the fire" for Canada.

fooster 2mo ago
I didn’t see china calling to annex Canada. The bad relations between china and Canada were also principally caused by the US insisting that we detain Meng Wanzhou. We can see what thanks we got for that.
gmerc 2mo ago
Why? China taking the goods we sell to the US seems like a good deal for us. They won’t copy our dairy or oil and if they want to assemble their EVs here and give us free AI, it’s a clear win win.

WarmWash 2mo ago

I think people forget that China is an authoritarian ethno state with a single leader for life. But hey, they have cheap shit, so what better wagon to hitch your country to?

timbit42 2mo ago
In my mind, the goal isn't to replace the US with China, but to lean into many countries, China being necessary due to being the only place to get many things. In the end, the goal isn't trade with China with as high a percentage as our trade is with the US but to use China to help us move away from the US which is currently more hostile than China, at least unless/until China becomes more hostile, but never allow any country to have more than perhaps 20% of our trade. Ultimately I would like to see Canada stay away from China as much as possible due to its lack of human rights, freedoms, democracy, etc. just as with all other countries with these issues, but we can't do it in only a few years.

jbm 2mo ago

I don't understand this and would like a clarification. There are zero Canadian automobile assemblers; they are Canadian subsidiaries of American companies, with some parts manufacturers being here. Assuming American companies (and companies from subordinates like Japan) leave, what would be the problem in having a similar relationship with China? Is it because their manufacturing is more integrated?

bardak 2mo ago
The American, and other auto makers, only manufacturers in Canada because the Canadian and American auto markets have been integrated for over 80 years. Removing Canada's access to the American market basically makes Canadian auto manufacturing uncompetitive since Canada isn't a big enough market to sustain a domestic auto market.
__turbobrew__ 2mo ago
> There are zero Canadian automobile assemblers; they are Canadian subsidiaries of American Toyota has massive assembly plants in Canada which net export vehicles to the USA. My rav4 hybrid was built in Woodstock Ontario.