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The test was not "after thousands of hours of conversing with them, knowing they're AI, THEN see if you can tell them apart blindly." Were 2010 you to be in a r

The test was not "after thousands of hours of conversing with them, knowing they're AI, THEN see if you can tell them apart blindly." Were 2010 you to be in a real turing test with an arbitrary erudite human and a 2026 frontier LLM, not knowing LLMs existed, you'd probably struggle

smohare 1mo ago
I doubt this entirely. It might be quite difficult for said human to discern whether a simple passage were generated sans such accumulated experience in reading AI text, true. But LLMs do not converse like humans in ways that have always been essentially immediately obvious.
- zoho_seni 1mo ago
  Have you seen how many people talk to bots these days thinking is a real person. Or that are even in a relationship with them or friends.
  - jurgenburgen 1mo ago
    Sometimes I wonder if LLMs are just revealing a section of the population with untreated mental illness or if LLMs are actively exacerbating mental illness. We might eventually regret exposing the general population to such a new technology without almost any safeguards.
  - customguy 1mo ago
    So? The people who can do it prove it can be done - the people who can't don't prove the opposite. Might as well claim all math is wrong because most people don't understand it.
  - eloisius 1mo ago
    Have you seen how many people form one-sided bonds with stars that don’t know they exist? Lonely people suspend disbelief to find some comfort. It’s not proof that the chatbot is indistinguishable from a human companion.
  - zahlman 1mo ago
    Okay, but the same could have been said about ELIZA.
jaccola 1mo ago
This is always the most silly argument. The original test was ambiguous but for sure the human was trying to prove themselves human. So the first thing they’d do is tell me LLMs exist and the other thing is an LLM. Obviously a true human level ai could explain that away as a fabrication to trick me. I don’t think an LLM could do even this! Turings whole point was that through the medium of text along if the human and machine were indistinguishable then that was true intelligence. So yes conversations of arbitrary length are allowed (needed).

smohare 1mo ago

I doubt this entirely. It might be quite difficult for said human to discern whether a simple passage were generated sans such accumulated experience in reading AI text, true. But LLMs do not converse like humans in ways that have always been essentially immediately obvious.

zoho_seni 1mo ago
Have you seen how many people talk to bots these days thinking is a real person. Or that are even in a relationship with them or friends.
- jurgenburgen 1mo ago
  Sometimes I wonder if LLMs are just revealing a section of the population with untreated mental illness or if LLMs are actively exacerbating mental illness. We might eventually regret exposing the general population to such a new technology without almost any safeguards.
- customguy 1mo ago
  So? The people who can do it prove it can be done - the people who can't don't prove the opposite. Might as well claim all math is wrong because most people don't understand it.
- eloisius 1mo ago
  Have you seen how many people form one-sided bonds with stars that don’t know they exist? Lonely people suspend disbelief to find some comfort. It’s not proof that the chatbot is indistinguishable from a human companion.
- zahlman 1mo ago
  Okay, but the same could have been said about ELIZA.

jaccola 1mo ago

This is always the most silly argument. The original test was ambiguous but for sure the human was trying to prove themselves human. So the first thing they’d do is tell me LLMs exist and the other thing is an LLM. Obviously a true human level ai could explain that away as a fabrication to trick me. I don’t think an LLM could do even this! Turings whole point was that through the medium of text along if the human and machine were indistinguishable then that was true intelligence. So yes conversations of arbitrary length are allowed (needed).