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The alternative is Prometheus (which is freaking great) and Jaegar (which is freaking great), each alone. This is better, because Otel is trying to put two dist
by GauntletWizard 1mo ago
The alternative is Prometheus (which is freaking great) and Jaegar (which is freaking great), each alone. This is better, because Otel is trying to put two distinct things (monitoring and metrics, distributed tracing) into one package, because they know how to use neither.
Neither Prometheus metrics nor Jaeger traces are magic bullets. Neither of them are complicated, either, and in fact the fact that they're not complicated is their greatest strength. You can and should understand every facet of what they entail. You should build the (very small) shims that they need for your company's framework every time. It's not hard. It's not hard because it's not complicated. The fact that it's not complicated seems to break people's brains. They are accurate because they're simple and they're easy to work with because they're simple, and OTel is neither.
- firesteelrain 1mo agoI’ve built custom Prometheus metrics very easily and had node exporter pick up the .prom files. Python and bash scripts reading and translating. Node exporter runs on my Prometheus server next to Blackbox Exporter. Blackbox Exporter handles TLS expiry metrics.
- cyberax 1mo agoOTEL metrics are a bit awkward, but they work just fine with Prometheus. Jaeger uses the OTLP protocol nowadays. So it _is_ OTEL.
- arcanemachiner 1mo agoWhat, so people don't like OTel, but they like Jaeger, which implements an OTel spec? (I'm a noob to this subject, if that wasn't obvious.)
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- cyberax 1mo agoYep. Kinda like people hating Obamacare but loving the ACA. Jaeger does not implement all the OTEL features, though. It's specifically focused on traces rather than metrics.
- GauntletWizard 1mo agoJaeger doesn't really implement an otel spec - Otel wrapped itself around Jaeger.
- nunez 1mo agoI believe you can still use Zipkin with Jaeger
- morganherlocker 1mo agoPrometheus is so easy to add and if you need more scale, there is mimir and a few other options with similar client semantics. I really can't imagine reaching for a framework APK that tries to anticipate every possible thing I would want telemtered, and is inevitably missing all the domain specific derived channels I need. Even prepackaged Prometheus exporters are usually overkill.
- lenkite 1mo agoHard Agree on Prometheus. And esp on the complexity - OTel is dizzyingly complex. You can get started ASAP on Prometheus whereas you get lost in analysis-paralysis when dealing with OTel.
- nunez 1mo agoAnd Vector for logs, which is also freaking great.