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I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem. Something about this feels icky though. Mayb

I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem. Something about this feels icky though. Maybe because it’s easy to imagine this being misused or abused.

skeledrew 2mo ago
With a little imagination, anything can be misused and abused.
ceejayoz 2mo ago
> I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem. That was the idea behind tasers - that they'd reduce use of guns. In reality, they now get used in scenarios where less (or no) force used to be more normal. Why learn de-escalation techniques when you can just shoot a taser? https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-less-lethal-weapons-and-tactics https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-... > A critical research question is whether officers can become too reliant on CEDs. During interviews with officers and trainers, the researchers heard comments that hinted at a "lazy cop syndrome." Some officers may turn to a CED too early in an encounter and may rely on a CED rather than on their conflict resolution skills or even on hands-on applications.
- whycome 2mo ago
  > conflict resolution skills or even on hands-on applications. Do electric “pain compliance” (their words) gloves count as “hands-on applications”?
- kyleee 2mo ago
  Tasers also unfortunately fail a ton, and generally the cops only escalate so once the taser fails the gun shots start.
ThrustVectoring 2mo ago
That's because they are extraordinarily suitable as covert torture devices. When government officials use them to inflict pain, they do not leave physical evidence and the only video evidence from filming the interaction is how long hands were on the detainee.
- ungreased0675 2mo ago
  Couldn’t put my finger on it, that’s what it is. Unlike a baton or pepper spray, this leaves no marks and has no distinct visual signature when being used. I bet these (or more likely AliExpress knockoffs) become really popular with club bouncers. I wonder if the device logs each activation like a Taser does?
Zigurd 2mo ago
This isn't a new problem, and pain compliance isn't a new solution. Abuse is rampant and amounts to torture.

skeledrew 2mo ago

With a little imagination, anything can be misused and abused.

ceejayoz 2mo ago

> I want the police to have a lot of options available to them, to avoid the “everything looks like a nail” problem. That was the idea behind tasers - that they'd reduce use of guns. In reality, they now get used in scenarios where less (or no) force used to be more normal. Why learn de-escalation techniques when you can just shoot a taser? https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-less-lethal-weapons-and-tactics https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/police-use-force-impact-... > A critical research question is whether officers can become too reliant on CEDs. During interviews with officers and trainers, the researchers heard comments that hinted at a "lazy cop syndrome." Some officers may turn to a CED too early in an encounter and may rely on a CED rather than on their conflict resolution skills or even on hands-on applications.

whycome 2mo ago
> conflict resolution skills or even on hands-on applications. Do electric “pain compliance” (their words) gloves count as “hands-on applications”?
kyleee 2mo ago
Tasers also unfortunately fail a ton, and generally the cops only escalate so once the taser fails the gun shots start.

ThrustVectoring 2mo ago

That's because they are extraordinarily suitable as covert torture devices. When government officials use them to inflict pain, they do not leave physical evidence and the only video evidence from filming the interaction is how long hands were on the detainee.

ungreased0675 2mo ago
Couldn’t put my finger on it, that’s what it is. Unlike a baton or pepper spray, this leaves no marks and has no distinct visual signature when being used. I bet these (or more likely AliExpress knockoffs) become really popular with club bouncers. I wonder if the device logs each activation like a Taser does?

Zigurd 2mo ago

This isn't a new problem, and pain compliance isn't a new solution. Abuse is rampant and amounts to torture.