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You can rage against Trump and republicans as much as you want but in the end the democrats must learn to formulate why anybody should vote FOR them. Even in th

You can rage against Trump and republicans as much as you want but in the end the democrats must learn to formulate why anybody should vote FOR them. Even in the current chaos they aren’t able to bring up a coherent message and follow through when they are in power. I see the same in Germany. AfD is getting stronger while the established parties get nothing done. It reminds me somewhat of the state of the Weimar Republic. The democratic parties failed which gave an opening to the nazis.

watwut 1mo ago
Somehow, no one votes for nazi because they believe that stuff. Rhetorically. They are always victims with no agency. They do believe in stuff. And their soft supporters succesfully manage to turm the blame to others. Trump situation is result of years of hard work of heritage foundation, conservative preachers, tech bros, supreme court and so on. He represents their project being succesfull.
- rootusrootus 1mo ago
  You don't give Trump enough credit. It is about him personally, this is not the big win for the heritage foundation that you portray it as.
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- frollogaston 1mo ago
  The Democratic party started, fought, and lost a culture war almost before Republicans even responded. They alienated their voters. Heritage Foundation didn't need to do anything. And fringe groups got more ammo. I don't even think Trump was the Republicans' best shot, only popular enough to beat Clinton and Harris (and lose to Biden), and probably tanking his party now.
  - watwut 1mo ago
    That is a lie. Republicans did not responded. They were inflaming it again and again and again and again. And always were.
- inigyou 1mo ago
  It's both. Why did the Nazis win ethe election instead of the liberals? Two reasons play equal part. One, many people are Nazis. Two, liberals didn't give any reason to vote for them, except for "we're not Nazis" and people who've voted on that basis for the last six elections and continued to see life get worse are now fed up - at best they don't vote and at worst they switch to voting Nazi. The US is not the first country to fall into this trap. The exact same happened in Germany. The non-Nazi party offered nothing to anyone besides not being Nazi.
  - watwut 1mo ago
    Liberals gave plenty of reasons to vote for them. But, those reasons did not mattered, because none of that was about what democratic party actually do. And also importantly, the difference between the parties was actually small. The narrative of nazi winning a lot is false. The reasons for Trump vote were conservatives enflamed panic about trans and wish to harm them. It was hate of non-white immigrants. And above all, it was vote for male supremacy. It was based on lies and wish to enact harm and cruelty. Openly so. If you want to win next time, you need to stop closing eyes from that. Stop idealizing and projecting motivations on republican voters. Stop whitewashing them and listen to what they are saying and when.

watwut 1mo ago

Somehow, no one votes for nazi because they believe that stuff. Rhetorically. They are always victims with no agency. They do believe in stuff. And their soft supporters succesfully manage to turm the blame to others. Trump situation is result of years of hard work of heritage foundation, conservative preachers, tech bros, supreme court and so on. He represents their project being succesfull.

rootusrootus 1mo ago
You don't give Trump enough credit. It is about him personally, this is not the big win for the heritage foundation that you portray it as.
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frollogaston 1mo ago
The Democratic party started, fought, and lost a culture war almost before Republicans even responded. They alienated their voters. Heritage Foundation didn't need to do anything. And fringe groups got more ammo. I don't even think Trump was the Republicans' best shot, only popular enough to beat Clinton and Harris (and lose to Biden), and probably tanking his party now.
- watwut 1mo ago
  That is a lie. Republicans did not responded. They were inflaming it again and again and again and again. And always were.
inigyou 1mo ago
It's both. Why did the Nazis win ethe election instead of the liberals? Two reasons play equal part. One, many people are Nazis. Two, liberals didn't give any reason to vote for them, except for "we're not Nazis" and people who've voted on that basis for the last six elections and continued to see life get worse are now fed up - at best they don't vote and at worst they switch to voting Nazi. The US is not the first country to fall into this trap. The exact same happened in Germany. The non-Nazi party offered nothing to anyone besides not being Nazi.
- watwut 1mo ago
  Liberals gave plenty of reasons to vote for them. But, those reasons did not mattered, because none of that was about what democratic party actually do. And also importantly, the difference between the parties was actually small. The narrative of nazi winning a lot is false. The reasons for Trump vote were conservatives enflamed panic about trans and wish to harm them. It was hate of non-white immigrants. And above all, it was vote for male supremacy. It was based on lies and wish to enact harm and cruelty. Openly so. If you want to win next time, you need to stop closing eyes from that. Stop idealizing and projecting motivations on republican voters. Stop whitewashing them and listen to what they are saying and when.