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They can absolutely keep them. Or they can just "lose" them "accidentally". Who exactly would force them to give them back? Or put another way, who exactly will

They can absolutely keep them. Or they can just "lose" them "accidentally". Who exactly would force them to give them back? Or put another way, who exactly will punish them if they break the law?

iamnothere 1mo ago
They can’t keep them permanently, but unfortunately they have in the past kept them from some people for years, until the hardware was past its useful life. It’s a good idea to only travel with electronics you don’t mind losing (and not just because of this).
- garciasn 1mo ago
  You have a worldview that’s incompatible with the reality of the current US legal system where things work the way you believe they should, rather than the way they actually do. Morality and direct commonsense interpretations of law do not apply when there are literally unlimited resources stacked against you. But, assuming you can wait the potential ~10y to receive your device back that it will take to get your device returned to you, good on you. If you think that the current SCOTUS will rule in your favor, good on you. The reality is, we live in a time where the most horrendous interpretation of the law is the one that will happen. And it won’t be in your favor.
  - iamnothere 1mo ago
    I don’t see how what you said contradicts anything I said, and I suspect you didn’t even read it. Yes, people have before had their devices seized for years, and courts wouldn’t return it sooner. That’s literally what I said.
    - garciasn 1mo ago
      I must have replied to the wrong comment. I swear I read something else. But maybe not. My bad.
      - iamnothere 1mo ago
        No problem, I have also misread a comment or two before, although I’ve been lucky and had time to delete my reply before the deadline.
  - KingMob 1mo ago
    I think you're arguing with someone who agrees with you.
kelnos 1mo ago
Honestly, I think this is still fine for most people. The probability of a border agent asking me to unlock my phone is very, very low. The inconvenience of using a burner phone is high. If they do take my phone (completely shut down, unlikely they'll be able to break in) and it's gone forever, that sucks, but then I get a new phone, restore from a backup, and move on with my life. Given that the probability of getting to this point is very low, I'm comfortable with the risk. But sure, if I was at high risk of being detained at the border due to my profession, country of origin, ethnicity, etc., I'd probably look at this differently.

They can absolutely keep them. Or they can just "lose" them "accidentally". Who exactly would force them to give them back? Or put another way, who exactly will punish them if they break the law?

iamnothere 1mo ago

They can’t keep them permanently, but unfortunately they have in the past kept them from some people for years, until the hardware was past its useful life. It’s a good idea to only travel with electronics you don’t mind losing (and not just because of this).

garciasn 1mo ago
You have a worldview that’s incompatible with the reality of the current US legal system where things work the way you believe they should, rather than the way they actually do. Morality and direct commonsense interpretations of law do not apply when there are literally unlimited resources stacked against you. But, assuming you can wait the potential ~10y to receive your device back that it will take to get your device returned to you, good on you. If you think that the current SCOTUS will rule in your favor, good on you. The reality is, we live in a time where the most horrendous interpretation of the law is the one that will happen. And it won’t be in your favor.
- iamnothere 1mo ago
  I don’t see how what you said contradicts anything I said, and I suspect you didn’t even read it. Yes, people have before had their devices seized for years, and courts wouldn’t return it sooner. That’s literally what I said.
  - garciasn 1mo ago
    I must have replied to the wrong comment. I swear I read something else. But maybe not. My bad.
    - iamnothere 1mo ago
      No problem, I have also misread a comment or two before, although I’ve been lucky and had time to delete my reply before the deadline.
- KingMob 1mo ago
  I think you're arguing with someone who agrees with you.

kelnos 1mo ago

Honestly, I think this is still fine for most people. The probability of a border agent asking me to unlock my phone is very, very low. The inconvenience of using a burner phone is high. If they do take my phone (completely shut down, unlikely they'll be able to break in) and it's gone forever, that sucks, but then I get a new phone, restore from a backup, and move on with my life. Given that the probability of getting to this point is very low, I'm comfortable with the risk. But sure, if I was at high risk of being detained at the border due to my profession, country of origin, ethnicity, etc., I'd probably look at this differently.