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These games are not self playing, you lose if you don’t make the correct choices. This is just a different type of game. > In a May 2026 update, Valve named th

by thih9 2mo ago

These games are not self playing, you lose if you don’t make the correct choices. This is just a different type of game. > In a May 2026 update, Valve named the genre Bullet Heaven on their Steam tagging system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_Survivors%E2%80%93like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_Survivors%E2%80%93like

HeavyStorm 2mo ago
Exactly
ozlikethewizard 2mo ago
Never played these games, but from reading the wiki, are the right choices pre determined? I could be misreading it but it does sound like vampire survivors is functionally an auto clicker
- thih9 2mo ago
  Right choices can be predetermined in non auto clicker games; especially if not all options are available at all times.
  - ozlikethewizard 2mo ago
    But if a game has no interactive mechanics and functionally no choices is it a game? Not calling it bad, just not convinced its entirely a game either. Will have to buy and see for myself. From the steam reviews: " Vampire survivors is something I'll never go back to. It's got the hallmarks of a great roguelite, but oh my god... Just like Ball x Pit, this game has decisons. But such a small amount that they almost don't matter. The gameplay outside of decisions is fed you to you on a spoon. Dodge enemies, upgrade weapons, finish run, upgrade stats. But these don't make the game good, they make the gameplay feel pointless. But I think that's what alot of people... want...? They want a mindless game. You don't have to try super hard. You don't have to think about decisions if you don't want. You just make a build good enough that the rest of the run is a waiting simulator. But then why am I playing? Not to overcome some great challenge. Not to construct some masterpiece of a run. Not to create beautiful memories. Just something to do in the blank spaces of life. Its a dopamine farm At least it's cheaper than smoking.
    - thih9 2mo ago
      You're supposed to explore and find optimal builds yourself, not read them from a wiki. Is the game deep? Not really. Is it self playing? Also not really, unless you already completed it.

by thih9 2mo ago

HeavyStorm 2mo ago

Exactly

ozlikethewizard 2mo ago

Never played these games, but from reading the wiki, are the right choices pre determined? I could be misreading it but it does sound like vampire survivors is functionally an auto clicker

thih9 2mo ago
Right choices can be predetermined in non auto clicker games; especially if not all options are available at all times.
- ozlikethewizard 2mo ago
  But if a game has no interactive mechanics and functionally no choices is it a game? Not calling it bad, just not convinced its entirely a game either. Will have to buy and see for myself. From the steam reviews: " Vampire survivors is something I'll never go back to. It's got the hallmarks of a great roguelite, but oh my god... Just like Ball x Pit, this game has decisons. But such a small amount that they almost don't matter. The gameplay outside of decisions is fed you to you on a spoon. Dodge enemies, upgrade weapons, finish run, upgrade stats. But these don't make the game good, they make the gameplay feel pointless. But I think that's what alot of people... want...? They want a mindless game. You don't have to try super hard. You don't have to think about decisions if you don't want. You just make a build good enough that the rest of the run is a waiting simulator. But then why am I playing? Not to overcome some great challenge. Not to construct some masterpiece of a run. Not to create beautiful memories. Just something to do in the blank spaces of life. Its a dopamine farm At least it's cheaper than smoking.
  - thih9 2mo ago
    You're supposed to explore and find optimal builds yourself, not read them from a wiki. Is the game deep? Not really. Is it self playing? Also not really, unless you already completed it.