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Think for a moment. What is the difference between giving them a password which wipes the phone and giving them a password which opens a blank phone? It's the
by panny 1mo ago
Think for a moment. What is the difference between giving them a password which wipes the phone and giving them a password which opens a blank phone?
It's the same thing. They punched in a code, they are presented with a wiped phone. Can they prove the guy gave them a distress password and wasn't simply carrying a wiped phone to begin with? No, but they just need to imply that is the reason to charge him with the felony.
- namibj 1mo agoHave you considered "no password set"?
- teiferer 1mo agoTyranny does not care about "proof". It doesn't even care about plausible deniability. Best you can get away with is lack of suspicion. Have a secondary phone with some standard apps on that you use now and then so theyhave a history and just look like you are just not a technical person and read novels on dead trees instead. A lot of work but likely works.
- convolvatron 1mo agoare we seriously approaching a point where its quasi-illegal to not participate in the socials?
- hallway_monitor 1mo agoMore like they've looked you up and the apps being missing would be a giveaway about the dummy phone
- taneq 1mo agoSo it’s becoming illegal to not have the Facebook app installed on your phone if you have a Facebook account?
- reactormonk 1mo agoThe fake SINs from Shadowrun come to mind: https://shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/System_Identification_Number#Fake_SINs https://shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/System_Identification_Numb...
- inigyou 1mo agoOnly at the border but yes, effectively.
- inigyou 1mo agoWe are already there. Border cops have been searching people's socials to see what you think of Trump and denying entry if you don't like him or if you don't have enough socials or don't let the cops search them. This was a year ago.
- convolvatron 1mo agoand stupid me here thinking compelled speech was a clear line in the sand
- inigyou 1mo agoWe will never cross the line. The line will always be in front of us until it's suddenly miles behind us.
- teiferer 1mo agoIndeed. Fighting against that is to be considered by anybody with enough technical competence to understand the consequences. In other words, the HN crowd.
- ratelimitsteve 1mo ago>What is the difference between giving them a password which wipes the phone and giving them a password which opens a blank phone? They don't get any indication that there was data there to be deleted, and you don't just factory reset but flash w an image of a clean phone that's been used. It has apps, it has accounts, it looks to the untrained eye (because that's who's looking at it) like a phone that was used normally by someone who has done nothing wrong.
- cortesoft 1mo agoThe best technical solution is one code opens to a phone that has things but isn't your actual phone, and then another code that opens to your real phone.
- kube-system 1mo ago> What is the difference between giving them a password which wipes the phone and giving them a password which opens a blank phone? > It's the same thing. They punched in a code, they are presented with a wiped phone. No, the behavior between the two is in fact visibly and obviously different. The regular passcode unlocks the phone. The duress passcode reboots the phone and resets it. I know this because this is literally what previous articles said happened when they entered the passcode in regards to this case. See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcgnBjHOK2g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcgnBjHOK2g
- inigyou 1mo agoYou can say it was a wiped phone to begin with, and that may work in court. They're welcome to have evidence it wasn't true, but whether they actually have that evidence is up in question. But it's irrelevant in this case because the guy confessed.
- kube-system 1mo agoWhen you enter the unlock code to a phone that was already reset, it immediately unlocks. When you enter the duress code, you get an animation while it resets, and then it reboots to a factory reset state. It is directly observable which code was entered. You can claim that it was something else, but your claim is easily dismissed as bullshit. This was exactly what was observed and recorded by the officials in this case.
- unreal37 1mo agoOne is destroying evidence and the other is not.
- wat10000 1mo agoThey could be indistinguishable in theory, but looking up some videos of the process, it appears that GrapheneOS doesn't try to make the duress pin process look like your phone was just blank the whole time. It says "wrong pin" and then the whole thing resets.
- inigyou 1mo agoThat still seems plausibly deniable enough if the cops aren't taking careful notes. Which is a gamble,but you still shouldn't confess.
- inigyou 1mo agoThe actual difference in this case is that the victim told the cops that the code had wiped the phone. That's a confession. Visible differences aren't relevant.