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Y'know, makes me wonder why Democrates didn't disband ICE and CBP when they had control over the Congress and the government. I mean, they knew those agencies w

Y'know, makes me wonder why Democrates didn't disband ICE and CBP when they had control over the Congress and the government. I mean, they knew those agencies would be used in precisely this way, yet did nothing anyhow.

wnmurphy 2mo ago
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- anigbrowl 2mo ago
  Look, when the Patriot Act was passed, DHS and ICE created etc., lots of people warned that concentrating so much executive power would end up leading to abuse. And there were abundant evidence of Trump's eagerness to ignore Constitutional norms during his first term. Anyone expressing surprise about ICE being co-opted is bullshitting you. ICE and border patrol unions have been vocally opposed to any sort of immigration reform for well over a decade, and ultraconservative right in the US has been calling for mass deportations and making ever wilder claims about the US being 'invaded' since forever. The truth is that the Democrats have no appetite for dismantling the security state because Republicans would screech that they were making Americans less safe and Democrats would rather not have that fight than make a counterargument for civil liberties and Constitutional values.
0xy 2mo ago
Democrats built the blueprint for ICE's deportation program and architected the law that enabled it. Clinton's IIRAIRA bill literally introduced expedited removal procedures and created the concept of 'administrative warrants', routinely used by CBP/ICE today. Without the IIRAIRA, removal would be substantially harder.
- anigbrowl 2mo ago
  IIRIRA was not a 'Clinton' bill. It was initially drafted by Lamar Smith (r) of Texas (HR 2202) and subsequently attached to an appropriations bill (HR 2610), and passed with a bipartisan veto-proof majority. https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/2202 https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/2202 https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/3610 https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/3610 It's easier than ever to check legal assertions before you post instead of posting incorrect information.
  - 0xy 2mo ago
    Huh? He signed it and evangelized it heavily, speaking about his strong support for the bill. He said the IIRAIRA "ratifies my administration's comprehensive immigration strategy". In the 1996 State of the Union he strongly condemned illegal immigration and touted a 50% increase in border controls, while pledging to use federal government contract steering power to punish businesses hiring them. How exactly is this not a Clinton bill? That's like saying the Affordable Care Act was not an Obama bill because he did not draft it. Just complete revisionism. Some notable Democrats voted for the bill, too. Dianne Feinstein, Joe Biden.
    - anigbrowl 2mo ago
      Huh yourself. I'm sure you understand what it means that it was introduced and cosponsored by >100 Republicans, and what a veto-proof majority means. It was passed just a couple months before an election, it was pretty natural that Clinton would go along with it to avoid being attacked as 'soft on crime'. How exactly is this not a Clinton bill? That's like saying the Affordable Care Act was not an Obama bill because he did not draft it. Just complete revisionism. Sure...if you believe it's common for American presidents' signature legislation to be introduced by the opposition party and get 5-10x more support from them than his own party. It passed with 370 R to 37 D votes in the House and 84 to 15 in the Senate.
      - 0xy 2mo ago
        How does saying the IIRAIRA "ratifies my administration's comprehensive immigration strategy" mean he had nothing to do with the bill and it was not his bill, despite evangelizing it repeatedly and signing the bill into law along with hundreds of Democrats? That quote is damning, no?
        anigbrowl 2mo ago
        Politicians spin things constantly, especially during elections. hundreds of Democrats 37 + 15 = 52

wnmurphy 2mo ago

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anigbrowl 2mo ago
Look, when the Patriot Act was passed, DHS and ICE created etc., lots of people warned that concentrating so much executive power would end up leading to abuse. And there were abundant evidence of Trump's eagerness to ignore Constitutional norms during his first term. Anyone expressing surprise about ICE being co-opted is bullshitting you. ICE and border patrol unions have been vocally opposed to any sort of immigration reform for well over a decade, and ultraconservative right in the US has been calling for mass deportations and making ever wilder claims about the US being 'invaded' since forever. The truth is that the Democrats have no appetite for dismantling the security state because Republicans would screech that they were making Americans less safe and Democrats would rather not have that fight than make a counterargument for civil liberties and Constitutional values.

0xy 2mo ago

Democrats built the blueprint for ICE's deportation program and architected the law that enabled it. Clinton's IIRAIRA bill literally introduced expedited removal procedures and created the concept of 'administrative warrants', routinely used by CBP/ICE today. Without the IIRAIRA, removal would be substantially harder.

anigbrowl 2mo ago
IIRIRA was not a 'Clinton' bill. It was initially drafted by Lamar Smith (r) of Texas (HR 2202) and subsequently attached to an appropriations bill (HR 2610), and passed with a bipartisan veto-proof majority. https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/2202 https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/2202 https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/3610 https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/3610 It's easier than ever to check legal assertions before you post instead of posting incorrect information.
- 0xy 2mo ago
  Huh? He signed it and evangelized it heavily, speaking about his strong support for the bill. He said the IIRAIRA "ratifies my administration's comprehensive immigration strategy". In the 1996 State of the Union he strongly condemned illegal immigration and touted a 50% increase in border controls, while pledging to use federal government contract steering power to punish businesses hiring them. How exactly is this not a Clinton bill? That's like saying the Affordable Care Act was not an Obama bill because he did not draft it. Just complete revisionism. Some notable Democrats voted for the bill, too. Dianne Feinstein, Joe Biden.
  - anigbrowl 2mo ago
    Huh yourself. I'm sure you understand what it means that it was introduced and cosponsored by >100 Republicans, and what a veto-proof majority means. It was passed just a couple months before an election, it was pretty natural that Clinton would go along with it to avoid being attacked as 'soft on crime'. How exactly is this not a Clinton bill? That's like saying the Affordable Care Act was not an Obama bill because he did not draft it. Just complete revisionism. Sure...if you believe it's common for American presidents' signature legislation to be introduced by the opposition party and get 5-10x more support from them than his own party. It passed with 370 R to 37 D votes in the House and 84 to 15 in the Senate.
    - 0xy 2mo ago
      How does saying the IIRAIRA "ratifies my administration's comprehensive immigration strategy" mean he had nothing to do with the bill and it was not his bill, despite evangelizing it repeatedly and signing the bill into law along with hundreds of Democrats? That quote is damning, no?
      - anigbrowl 2mo ago
        Politicians spin things constantly, especially during elections. hundreds of Democrats 37 + 15 = 52